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I found this quite interesting. UR seem to have limits for raw stats depending on level.
– 2 Stars –
Ok: 4/5 (Katrina), 5/4 (e.g. Arkn), 6/4 (Raquel), 7/2 (e.g. Sasha), 8/2 (e.g. Melanie)
Not ok: 5/5, 7/3
Maximum sum of stats: 9 (10 in rare cases)
– 3 stars –
Ok: 4/7 (e.g. Leila) 5/6 (e.g. Rubie), 6/5 (e.g. Deea), 6/6 (Sylvia Ld), 7/4 (e.g. Jiro), 8/4 (e.g. Tyd)
Not ok: 5/7, 7/5
Maximum sum of stats: 11 (12 in rare cases)
– 4 stars –
Ok: 5/8 (e.g. Griezzo), 6/7 (e.g. Heegrn Cr), 7/5 (e.g. Spyke), 7/6 (e.g. Carter), 8/6 (Jackie Cr)
Not ok: 6/8, 7/7
Maximum sum of stats: 12 (13 in rare cases or 14 in even rarer cases because Jackie is stupid)
– 5 stars –
Anything goes.
Maximum sum of stats: 14 (15 or 16 in rare cases)
Of course, abilities are also taken into account when balancing the cards. But still, something I found interesting is, a 3* with stats like 7/5 or a 4* with stats like 7/7 wouldn't seem too overpowered if placed in the correct clan. And I actually think those might happen pretty soon since UR have started "breaking" these limits lately. Beef was the first 4* 7/6 in over five years and Raquel is the first ever 2* 6/4.
What do you guys think? Just look at Buckler, who is already in a really powerful clan. Would it hypothetically be unreasonable to remove his ability and add one more damage instead, making him a 7/5? Or would Lehane become better if she had 3 damage instead of SOB?
– 2 Stars –
Ok: 4/5 (Katrina), 5/4 (e.g. Arkn), 6/4 (Raquel), 7/2 (e.g. Sasha), 8/2 (e.g. Melanie)
Not ok: 5/5, 7/3
Maximum sum of stats: 9 (10 in rare cases)
– 3 stars –
Ok: 4/7 (e.g. Leila) 5/6 (e.g. Rubie), 6/5 (e.g. Deea), 6/6 (Sylvia Ld), 7/4 (e.g. Jiro), 8/4 (e.g. Tyd)
Not ok: 5/7, 7/5
Maximum sum of stats: 11 (12 in rare cases)
– 4 stars –
Ok: 5/8 (e.g. Griezzo), 6/7 (e.g. Heegrn Cr), 7/5 (e.g. Spyke), 7/6 (e.g. Carter), 8/6 (Jackie Cr)
Not ok: 6/8, 7/7
Maximum sum of stats: 12 (13 in rare cases or 14 in even rarer cases because Jackie is stupid)
– 5 stars –
Anything goes.
Maximum sum of stats: 14 (15 or 16 in rare cases)
Of course, abilities are also taken into account when balancing the cards. But still, something I found interesting is, a 3* with stats like 7/5 or a 4* with stats like 7/7 wouldn't seem too overpowered if placed in the correct clan. And I actually think those might happen pretty soon since UR have started "breaking" these limits lately. Beef was the first 4* 7/6 in over five years and Raquel is the first ever 2* 6/4.
What do you guys think? Just look at Buckler, who is already in a really powerful clan. Would it hypothetically be unreasonable to remove his ability and add one more damage instead, making him a 7/5? Or would Lehane become better if she had 3 damage instead of SOB?
2/16
It'll eventually happen, and after that era, we'll get Lehane clones, 2*s with 8/3 AND SOB. Hopefully not anytime soon though.
I don't see what's wrong with giving a 5/7 3* to a clan with no attack manipulation so long as it has no ability. How often will anyone win with that anyways? That one might happen soon and hopefully no backlash. No one will use it but meh...
Maybe they will start giving raw 7/5 3* with no ability, or even harder hitting 7/6 3*s with backlash, who knows. But we do need more no ability cards lol.
I don't see what's wrong with giving a 5/7 3* to a clan with no attack manipulation so long as it has no ability. How often will anyone win with that anyways? That one might happen soon and hopefully no backlash. No one will use it but meh...
Maybe they will start giving raw 7/5 3* with no ability, or even harder hitting 7/6 3*s with backlash, who knows. But we do need more no ability cards lol.
3/16
I think the new modes (standard and extended) will keep the limits in it's place again.
4/16
6/16
With the release of backlash minimums were increased a lot.
7/16
I agree there are some limits behind every stars
usually rare card has more points than uncommon or common card (in stats or ability)
Arkn is good example of rare card, 9 points and good ability
some cards are bad in term of stats because of their ability (or simply they are bad cards)
Spycee is common card with sum of 7 but with SOA
common pattern for each stars:
level 2: 6/3, 6/2, 7/2, 7/1, 8/2 (usually the damage never goes over 4, if yes, most likely it's a bonus or ability not their solid damage)
level 3: 6/4, 6/5, 7/4, 8/4, 7/3 (damage rarely goes over 5, if yes, look above)
level 4: 6/6, 7/5, 8/5 (rarely goes over 6 damage if yes, usually compensated with low power)
level 5: 6/8, 7/6, 7/7, 8/6, 8/7
I cannot imagine 3 stars with solid 7/5.. it enter realm of 4 stars
Beef and Raquel has backlash, so their stats should be higher than normal card (no pain no gain)
Lehane 8/3 without SOB is bad
SOB worth more than 1 damage
Jackie Cr is made before UR understand about card balance, she is one of the earliest release in UR (along with other OP cards like Vickie Cr, Zatman, Tanaereva Cr, Kiki Cr, DJ Korr Cr, Guru Cr, Lyse Teria Cr, etc)
usually rare card has more points than uncommon or common card (in stats or ability)
Arkn is good example of rare card, 9 points and good ability
some cards are bad in term of stats because of their ability (or simply they are bad cards)
Spycee is common card with sum of 7 but with SOA
common pattern for each stars:
level 2: 6/3, 6/2, 7/2, 7/1, 8/2 (usually the damage never goes over 4, if yes, most likely it's a bonus or ability not their solid damage)
level 3: 6/4, 6/5, 7/4, 8/4, 7/3 (damage rarely goes over 5, if yes, look above)
level 4: 6/6, 7/5, 8/5 (rarely goes over 6 damage if yes, usually compensated with low power)
level 5: 6/8, 7/6, 7/7, 8/6, 8/7
I cannot imagine 3 stars with solid 7/5.. it enter realm of 4 stars
Beef and Raquel has backlash, so their stats should be higher than normal card (no pain no gain)
Lehane 8/3 without SOB is bad
SOB worth more than 1 damage
Jackie Cr is made before UR understand about card balance, she is one of the earliest release in UR (along with other OP cards like Vickie Cr, Zatman, Tanaereva Cr, Kiki Cr, DJ Korr Cr, Guru Cr, Lyse Teria Cr, etc)
8/16
Remember that simply removing an ability and adding an extra stat is not the same, because SOA clans are extremely popular...
9/16
Unless the base minimum stats increase SoA clans will dominate more and more. Ability's are getting stronger, stats will always be limited to 8. There will be a time when 8 is the common and it will be all about the ability, which in turn makes SoA clans a lot stronger just due to more and more cards depending on ability's to stay sub par.
SOA clans were a very flawed idea, very little disadvantage using them anymore, if there ever was.
SOA clans were a very flawed idea, very little disadvantage using them anymore, if there ever was.
10/16
I agree that GHEIST and Roots probably cause a lot of balance issues. But I don' think there is much to do about it except try to make future releases really weak in general. Berzerk and Skeelz have less trouble against SOA but even more cards get horribly crippled by it.
I expect a 3* 7/5 from Skeelz pretty soon... How about a protected backlash?
I expect a 3* 7/5 from Skeelz pretty soon... How about a protected backlash?
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