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Their -2 opp. power ability makes it just so powerful... Is there any REAL counter?
Seriously though, are there any decent clans or decks in ELO that have a consistent advantage over All Stars when Marina, Striker and Robb are all available? When you add in Eyrik, that's a massive -3 opp. power, and All Stars have cards with both high power (e.g., Marina, Jessie, Stacey, Robb with ability) and damage (e.g., Striker, Randy), and I'm not even talking about their 5* cards. Sure, there are decks that can compete on an even footing, but are there any that are better?
Seriously though, are there any decent clans or decks in ELO that have a consistent advantage over All Stars when Marina, Striker and Robb are all available? When you add in Eyrik, that's a massive -3 opp. power, and All Stars have cards with both high power (e.g., Marina, Jessie, Stacey, Robb with ability) and damage (e.g., Striker, Randy), and I'm not even talking about their 5* cards. Sure, there are decks that can compete on an even footing, but are there any that are better?
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Are we talking purely mono deck here? thats not really the best measure
half decks are the norm for the most part. and a half deck of SOB and attack manip will have a strong edge over All Stars.
in a mono situation, how many clans can really compete vs most of the decks out there? AS, Piranhas, Bangers, Rescue..... after that.... most mono builds start to suffer from gaps in their roster.
finally dont do the match ups as if the player with using AS will dictate what match ups will happen.... if you go first, you are not in control of the match ups.
half decks are the norm for the most part. and a half deck of SOB and attack manip will have a strong edge over All Stars.
in a mono situation, how many clans can really compete vs most of the decks out there? AS, Piranhas, Bangers, Rescue..... after that.... most mono builds start to suffer from gaps in their roster.
finally dont do the match ups as if the player with using AS will dictate what match ups will happen.... if you go first, you are not in control of the match ups.
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All Stars are indeed a powerful clan, but no clan is ultimate. There are plenty of clans that can beat them, just don't only look at the bonus. Look at the abilities too
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@wasteroftime:
Hmm, half SOB and half attack manip sounds like a reasonable idea. I may fiddle around with Piranas-Sakrohm. Not sure such a deck would have a "strong edge" over AS, but it's worth trying out.
As for doing match ups as if the AS player determines the match ups, well, everyone else did it first! That's actually part of my point. Yes, if you get to determine the match ups, you can have an advantage over AS. However, it's also possible that the AS player determines the match ups. So my question can be approximately rephrased as: is there a good deck that dominates AS even if AS goes second? I can't think of one, mono or mixed clan. Possibly a good Hugo + attack/power manip draw would do it, but for the other half of the games where you don't draw Hugo, I suspect AS would have the edge.
@END_Zack
I'm not just looking at the bonus. Heck, I'm not even just looking at the bonus and abilities. I'm looking at the fact that AS has an excellent bonus, excellent abilities (Marina DR, Striker SOA, Robb -3 opp. power), solid damage (Striker, Randy, Marina), and solid power even without bonus (Marina 7, Jessie 7, Robb and Stacey virtual . And not one of the cards I've mentioned is a 5*.
Basically, I'm hoping that I'm missing something. The clans in UR is supposed to have a rock-paper-scissors relationship, right? So what's the paper to the All Stars rock?
Hmm, half SOB and half attack manip sounds like a reasonable idea. I may fiddle around with Piranas-Sakrohm. Not sure such a deck would have a "strong edge" over AS, but it's worth trying out.
As for doing match ups as if the AS player determines the match ups, well, everyone else did it first! That's actually part of my point. Yes, if you get to determine the match ups, you can have an advantage over AS. However, it's also possible that the AS player determines the match ups. So my question can be approximately rephrased as: is there a good deck that dominates AS even if AS goes second? I can't think of one, mono or mixed clan. Possibly a good Hugo + attack/power manip draw would do it, but for the other half of the games where you don't draw Hugo, I suspect AS would have the edge.
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I'm not just looking at the bonus. Heck, I'm not even just looking at the bonus and abilities. I'm looking at the fact that AS has an excellent bonus, excellent abilities (Marina DR, Striker SOA, Robb -3 opp. power), solid damage (Striker, Randy, Marina), and solid power even without bonus (Marina 7, Jessie 7, Robb and Stacey virtual . And not one of the cards I've mentioned is a 5*.
Basically, I'm hoping that I'm missing something. The clans in UR is supposed to have a rock-paper-scissors relationship, right? So what's the paper to the All Stars rock?
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...Good point. Maybe the new clan could be the All Stars' paper?
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Yes they are op. But their characters aren't so overpowered to be permabanned. The work as a team and take everything else down with an ease.
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