Important change: arrival of the Standard!
Important change: arrival of the Standard!
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 17:12
Euzebe - Legend 
769 messages
Hello all,
We made a series of interviews between the end of 2011 and the beginning of 2012. These interviews persuaded us to complete a project we were thinking about for a long time: the setting up of a cards rotation system.
Right now there are 800 cards in the collection and it’s already too much for the game to run smoothly. The players who have all the cards always use the strongest of a clan and even if it makes them win matches they are frustrated not to see more variety. For their part, the beginners have to face a huge collection and they often feel quite lost.
We want to create a list that includes only characters released in the past two years (+ leaders and starter characters) and change several rooms which allow players to only use the characters in this list. We won’t impose this list in every rooms because our goal is not to stop you from playing the oldest cards, for example the DM T2 and Survivor T2 won’t change at all even if names will be different.
Let’s see what will happen in detail:
1/ Create a list of characters called «Standard» which will be updated every 6 months:
This list will contain Leaders, Starter Decks characters, all characters released within these last 2 years before the update (LD included) and characters which will be released after the update.
In practical terms it will give about ten characters allowed in each clan (with more or less the same number of characters in each level). Note that the new clans will keep all their characters. It will be taken into account in the cards releases planning. We will act as to give each clan what they need to be efficient.
2/ Creation of 3 new deck formats:
Extended Format: all characters allowed, no doubles, 40 stars max., equivalent to T2.
Standard Format: Standard characters only, 40 stars mac., no doubles.
Standard Format 25: Standard characters only, 25 stars max., no doubles, list of characters banned if it’s needed (for Leaders for example).
Note that the T1 format disappears.
3/ Finally, create or adapt battle rooms:
The Standard battle room : Standard Format with a DT every other hour.
Instead of opening a less than 26 stars (T1) room and a more than 26 stars (T2) one, you will have one single room BUT you’ll face opponents whose decks have a number of stars close to yours. This mechanism corresponds better to the reality of DTs today where every players try to find the good combination which will give the most points while winning matches with 20 to 30 stars decks. Merging the two rooms will allow you to keep this optimization spirit without the «artificial» side of the stars limitation. This flexibility combined with the Standard format will give a breath of fresh air to DTs while keeping specificity.
This room will be the ONLY DT room. There won’t be any T2, T1 or ELO Daily Tournament. We know that it’s not harmless and it was a very difficult decision to take. Some of you struggled a long time to obtain very expensive collectors which allow them to improve their results in DT and their disappointment is understandable. Nevertheless, DT’s today are clearly dominated by some decks not to say several highly efficient cards which is not healthy in a competitive game mode.
The ELO room: Standard format 25 (with potentially some bans), same rules except that there won’t be DTs in this room any more.
Use the Standard rules in the ELO mode sounds quite obvious to us. It will allow some regular changes to the mode and it will remove old characters which cause balancing problems. It should reduce the number of staff banned characters and no more characters banned by players.
About DT, we think that the ELO mode is pretty different from the DT. There is no reason to mix these two game modes. Today, ELO players have the opportunity to win free credits without playing in DT. Tomorrow they’ll have to choose between Dt and ELO which is already the case for players playing in other modes (Survivor or DM).
3 Deathmatch rooms:
Extended DM: Extended format, current DM rules.
Standard DM: Standard format, current DM rules.
Standard DM 25: Standard format 25, current DM rules.
The Extended DM will be equivalent to the current DM T2, only the name will change.
The Standard DM will allow players with big decks but with characters in the Standard list. The DM T1 will disappear and we’ll add a Standard 25 room. We noticed that the rare players in DM T1 were more ELO players than DT T1 players. We hope that the Standard DM 25 will be more used than the current DM T1 room. If it’s not the case, we will think about it. If there are DM T1 players here who are reading this message and Don’t want this change to Standard DM 25, Don’t hesitate to let us know.
3 Survivor rooms.
Extended Survivor: Extended format.
Standard Survivor: Standard format.
Standard Survivor 25: Standard format 25.
Same idea as Deathmatch.
And the rooms which won’t change:
Fight Club: the deck you want.
Warehouse: Training.
Warehouse no pillz: Training NoPill
We made a series of interviews between the end of 2011 and the beginning of 2012. These interviews persuaded us to complete a project we were thinking about for a long time: the setting up of a cards rotation system.
Right now there are 800 cards in the collection and it’s already too much for the game to run smoothly. The players who have all the cards always use the strongest of a clan and even if it makes them win matches they are frustrated not to see more variety. For their part, the beginners have to face a huge collection and they often feel quite lost.
We want to create a list that includes only characters released in the past two years (+ leaders and starter characters) and change several rooms which allow players to only use the characters in this list. We won’t impose this list in every rooms because our goal is not to stop you from playing the oldest cards, for example the DM T2 and Survivor T2 won’t change at all even if names will be different.
Let’s see what will happen in detail:
1/ Create a list of characters called «Standard» which will be updated every 6 months:
This list will contain Leaders, Starter Decks characters, all characters released within these last 2 years before the update (LD included) and characters which will be released after the update.
In practical terms it will give about ten characters allowed in each clan (with more or less the same number of characters in each level). Note that the new clans will keep all their characters. It will be taken into account in the cards releases planning. We will act as to give each clan what they need to be efficient.
2/ Creation of 3 new deck formats:
Extended Format: all characters allowed, no doubles, 40 stars max., equivalent to T2.
Standard Format: Standard characters only, 40 stars mac., no doubles.
Standard Format 25: Standard characters only, 25 stars max., no doubles, list of characters banned if it’s needed (for Leaders for example).
Note that the T1 format disappears.
3/ Finally, create or adapt battle rooms:
The Standard battle room : Standard Format with a DT every other hour.
Instead of opening a less than 26 stars (T1) room and a more than 26 stars (T2) one, you will have one single room BUT you’ll face opponents whose decks have a number of stars close to yours. This mechanism corresponds better to the reality of DTs today where every players try to find the good combination which will give the most points while winning matches with 20 to 30 stars decks. Merging the two rooms will allow you to keep this optimization spirit without the «artificial» side of the stars limitation. This flexibility combined with the Standard format will give a breath of fresh air to DTs while keeping specificity.
This room will be the ONLY DT room. There won’t be any T2, T1 or ELO Daily Tournament. We know that it’s not harmless and it was a very difficult decision to take. Some of you struggled a long time to obtain very expensive collectors which allow them to improve their results in DT and their disappointment is understandable. Nevertheless, DT’s today are clearly dominated by some decks not to say several highly efficient cards which is not healthy in a competitive game mode.
The ELO room: Standard format 25 (with potentially some bans), same rules except that there won’t be DTs in this room any more.
Use the Standard rules in the ELO mode sounds quite obvious to us. It will allow some regular changes to the mode and it will remove old characters which cause balancing problems. It should reduce the number of staff banned characters and no more characters banned by players.
About DT, we think that the ELO mode is pretty different from the DT. There is no reason to mix these two game modes. Today, ELO players have the opportunity to win free credits without playing in DT. Tomorrow they’ll have to choose between Dt and ELO which is already the case for players playing in other modes (Survivor or DM).
3 Deathmatch rooms:
Extended DM: Extended format, current DM rules.
Standard DM: Standard format, current DM rules.
Standard DM 25: Standard format 25, current DM rules.
The Extended DM will be equivalent to the current DM T2, only the name will change.
The Standard DM will allow players with big decks but with characters in the Standard list. The DM T1 will disappear and we’ll add a Standard 25 room. We noticed that the rare players in DM T1 were more ELO players than DT T1 players. We hope that the Standard DM 25 will be more used than the current DM T1 room. If it’s not the case, we will think about it. If there are DM T1 players here who are reading this message and Don’t want this change to Standard DM 25, Don’t hesitate to let us know.
3 Survivor rooms.
Extended Survivor: Extended format.
Standard Survivor: Standard format.
Standard Survivor 25: Standard format 25.
Same idea as Deathmatch.
And the rooms which won’t change:
Fight Club: the deck you want.
Warehouse: Training.
Warehouse no pillz: Training NoPill
701/769
The same thing that happens now is going to happen when standard is introduced. The major problem i have is how hard it will be for nebies to get into the game as they can no longer play dt's off the bat to get credits. Also lets look a kalder's price. He's easily one of the worst Piranas 2 stars and hes common. But with standard incoming he is valued at time of posting at over 2k. How is a newbie ever going to be able to afford a decent standard deck if all the cards that can be used are overpriced.
702/769
Kalders still new, most common cards are about that price at this time. It takes a few months for them to really get to their lowest price.
703/769
@raptorbones
The major problem i have is how hard it will be for nebies to get into the game as they can no longer play dt's off the bat to get credits
I dont understand that...
the starting deck will be useable -- 1 game win or lose will equal 50 clintz
in the current DT - 100 points is usually enough to get you 1 credit and 50 clintz - a new DT format will not change the amount of effort needed to finish in the top 1/3
save credits and buy NB pack -- you will earn cards that will be Standard playable with a much shallower pool of cards to compete against -- which means they are more playable than in current format or you can sell them for clintz. this is a slight improvement on the current tactic of buying NB pack to sell the cards for clintz and use the clintz for elo competitive cards.
rich people trying to control prices will continue regardless of what format is used. the only way to control that is put limits on a players ability to hoard cards -- I for one is in favour of this -- but UR stated about 2 years ago that it would not do this.
The major problem i have is how hard it will be for nebies to get into the game as they can no longer play dt's off the bat to get credits
I dont understand that...
the starting deck will be useable -- 1 game win or lose will equal 50 clintz
in the current DT - 100 points is usually enough to get you 1 credit and 50 clintz - a new DT format will not change the amount of effort needed to finish in the top 1/3
save credits and buy NB pack -- you will earn cards that will be Standard playable with a much shallower pool of cards to compete against -- which means they are more playable than in current format or you can sell them for clintz. this is a slight improvement on the current tactic of buying NB pack to sell the cards for clintz and use the clintz for elo competitive cards.
rich people trying to control prices will continue regardless of what format is used. the only way to control that is put limits on a players ability to hoard cards -- I for one is in favour of this -- but UR stated about 2 years ago that it would not do this.
704/769
Haha one of the worst 2*s when he can potentially be more powerful and effective than Tula... nice calculations there genius.
Save the worst 2* rant for Gran Vista and Spycee.
Most decent cards are overpriced anyway.
Save the worst 2* rant for Gran Vista and Spycee.
Most decent cards are overpriced anyway.
705/769
The thing w/ Kalder is that he CAN be better, not always. vs Mona Kalder has 4 and Mona has 6, Mona vs. Tula Mona has 2 and Tula has 3.
Anyways, back to the point, as others have said, if people CAN use standard but the current rooms are still avail would be better.
Some say they can release more an more cards but they already seem to have a prob w/ equality between clans. The best way would probably be to just scrap standard and just release less, more rounded cards.
Ex. Liam or Milton? Liam has SOA and is more solid but Milton (w/ his ability) can get that 3 damage in a lot easier (great in a deak w/ a card like Greem)
No more Kazayan vs. Beetenka. Beetenka can have can be 7/6 but is suceptible to SOA & DR's Kazayan can be 7/7 but succeptible to SOA, not as much DRs... wait... Kazayan is completely better and that makes Beetenka pretty much useless, unless u want a 5th 4*...
So take more time to think about the cards coming out and the game will be more balanced. which will, overall, make UR a better game
Anyways, back to the point, as others have said, if people CAN use standard but the current rooms are still avail would be better.
Some say they can release more an more cards but they already seem to have a prob w/ equality between clans. The best way would probably be to just scrap standard and just release less, more rounded cards.
Ex. Liam or Milton? Liam has SOA and is more solid but Milton (w/ his ability) can get that 3 damage in a lot easier (great in a deak w/ a card like Greem)
No more Kazayan vs. Beetenka. Beetenka can have can be 7/6 but is suceptible to SOA & DR's Kazayan can be 7/7 but succeptible to SOA, not as much DRs... wait... Kazayan is completely better and that makes Beetenka pretty much useless, unless u want a 5th 4*...
So take more time to think about the cards coming out and the game will be more balanced. which will, overall, make UR a better game
706/769
Well they could let you toggle between standard and extended like they used to with random and no random. Some people hated random, thus some people will hate standard.
707/769
"rich people trying to control prices will continue regardless of what format is used. the only way to control that is put limits on a players ability to hoard cards"
I like this idea very much. Waster you should use your influence to implement this now!
I like this idea very much. Waster you should use your influence to implement this now!
708/769
@jayceone
ur is a business.... releasing less cards is not a good for business
in the current climate the NB cards are used for 1) selling at a high price in the first few week they are released 2) collecting 3) using in competitive decks.... but ONLY if they are strong cards --- this leaves the vast majority of NB cards not really playable.
The elimination of cards from some formats simply makes more NB cards playable in a competitive deck. This is a good thing. This also addresses the concern of power creep -- this is also good. So a NB card no longer has to be amazing in order to be worthy of being included in many decks.
what is evident in this entire thread is the need to create or preserve a format that allows the use of 2-3 star cards in a room that is somewhat competitive (so not LW or Fight Club).
as much as some people keep repeating their desire for 2 elo rooms, this simply doesnt make sense. you cannot have 2 different formats sharing elo scores. even 2 rooms with 2 separate elo scores doesnt accomplish anything other than water down the idea of elo. a standard elo with another competitive (as in you get rewarded) room that allows some sort of 25 star extended format address the concern a lot of people are voicing
ur is a business.... releasing less cards is not a good for business
in the current climate the NB cards are used for 1) selling at a high price in the first few week they are released 2) collecting 3) using in competitive decks.... but ONLY if they are strong cards --- this leaves the vast majority of NB cards not really playable.
The elimination of cards from some formats simply makes more NB cards playable in a competitive deck. This is a good thing. This also addresses the concern of power creep -- this is also good. So a NB card no longer has to be amazing in order to be worthy of being included in many decks.
what is evident in this entire thread is the need to create or preserve a format that allows the use of 2-3 star cards in a room that is somewhat competitive (so not LW or Fight Club).
as much as some people keep repeating their desire for 2 elo rooms, this simply doesnt make sense. you cannot have 2 different formats sharing elo scores. even 2 rooms with 2 separate elo scores doesnt accomplish anything other than water down the idea of elo. a standard elo with another competitive (as in you get rewarded) room that allows some sort of 25 star extended format address the concern a lot of people are voicing
709/769
When does this standard/extended will start?
Its a shame the portuguese and brazilian comunity still dont have this topic in the forum!
Its a shame the portuguese and brazilian comunity still dont have this topic in the forum!
710/769
A version of standard that includes a core set of cards as well as the most recent releases will probably be a good thing for the game.
The only snag is that it is also important for UR to maintain the other formats. Playing one or two formats exclusively would get very boring- especially if one of those formats is standard.
Standard seems like a good idea- but the limited number of available cards is a double-edged sword. The limited selection levels the playing field making skill more of a determining factor in matches however it does so at the expense of card and deck variety. In short, its a good addition to the game but its not a substitute for T1, T2 or elo.
The only snag is that it is also important for UR to maintain the other formats. Playing one or two formats exclusively would get very boring- especially if one of those formats is standard.
Standard seems like a good idea- but the limited number of available cards is a double-edged sword. The limited selection levels the playing field making skill more of a determining factor in matches however it does so at the expense of card and deck variety. In short, its a good addition to the game but its not a substitute for T1, T2 or elo.
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