offline 0_The_Oracle Imperator Open Casket
Sunday 06/01/2013, 16:52

Hey guys so I will just start us off. I dont get how lizbeth is on top of the charts??? I mean for 1 less damage, you get lulabee, which is FAR more stable than lizbeth. I know, different clans, but Ulu is not that bad by themselves. + there are many replacements, and lizbeth is what, like 60k? this is ridiculous.

I think Dorian is quite borderline as well, uppers can still do pretty well without him. Herman, hefty, even lady are all replacements for dorian, i mean i know he is strong against SoA, but thats it!. Herman is actually more threatening than dorian in many matchups minus gheist/roots.

offline AGPrinz Titan The BeSharps
Friday 11/01/2013, 09:37

E10din is flat out wrong. First of all, the difference between - power and + power is much different. Vs allstars, say saki - he would be 6 power, saki would be 5. That means you could play a six pilled Futoshi, and still be able to win the matchup based on pills (since shifou, marlysa, and chan)

Fei does better than futoshi on ULU watu, and i believe that is the only clan.. The advantage is about the same as what futoshi has vs Allstars. Also an important thing to mention, is that stanly (a fairly common ulu watu card at times) does about the same vs futoshi if he has confidence. Vs attack clans, he has better stats than any of them period, meaning they need to pill once more to beat them (aside oscar and romana and mona and john, but keep in mind he also has bigger gap potential)

vs pussy cats, id rather have futoshi than fei, since bother clover lucy and leela counter him fei to 1-2 damage... which if u spend the logical 5 pills on him well isnt really worth it. but at the same time, FPC vs PC is a hard match up.

Im not even going to respond to your stupid arguments for la junta and fpc and beserk (ill even throw in jungo here). All i will say is 8-8 is extremely hard to reduce with those clans aside jungo.

Vs vortex same stupid argument. Of course not, no1 plays cards wanting to lose any round ideally. However, there are some rounds you cant win, but you can create safe openers / forks ideally. Do you think the vortex really want to lose aisde from maybe with cwing?

offline ghelas Titan E X C A L I B U R
Friday 11/01/2013, 12:12

Regardless of the arguments made here, Prinz, you can't argue with this fact: It's easily observable that most t100 players do not prefer FPC, therefore we can infer that FPC does not need bans.

Don't get me wrong -- maybe some week or another the meta will shake out in such a way that FPC will be really, really, good. People will get sick of seeing them. They will band together and temp-ban one of their stronger cards... Most likely Shifou or Futoshi. But that would be the exception that proves the rule.

The fact that any t100 regular can back up is that there are few people regularly running FPC up there. Bans exist to balance the game, to keep certain cards from being *abused,* not to keep every strong card out of the game. Futoshi is a strong card, very often having at least some advantage to offer, but he is not a card that's easy to abuse. You are never going to see people running Futoshi like they ran Askai, expecting an automatic win as soon as they draw him.

offline JO3SHMO Imperator Wise Men Distracted
Friday 11/01/2013, 12:42

" Bans exist to balance the game, to keep certain cards from being *abused,* not to keep every strong card out of the game."

Absolutely spot on! ELO bans in a nutshell.

I was one of the Askai abusers, so that ban makes me sad. smiley Well deserved ban, no arguments there, but still sad. Haha.

offline 0_The_Oracle Imperator Open Casket
Friday 11/01/2013, 15:52

@prinz umm... I never said fei was better than futoshi ld? i just said fei is definitely NOT garbage, for those of us who do not own futoshi ld.... once again how is shifou not a better card than futoshi ld!? for 1 less damage (and a slightly different abilitiy that is pretty much as effective) you trade in for 1 less star. that is crucial.

and ps. YOU HAVE NOT explained why jessica is op smiley

offline E10din Titan Harbingers of Ares
Friday 11/01/2013, 17:15

Regardless of your opinion on my arguments, none of what you've said has proved he's op, just strong. Also, please, enlighten the masses as to how Jessica is op

offline AGPrinz Titan The BeSharps
Saturday 12/01/2013, 02:56

Oh god. I meant not jessica. but sasha. I always do that...

offline JO3SHMO Imperator Wise Men Distracted
Saturday 12/01/2013, 12:33

Lol Prinz. smiley

offline 0 Nomi Titan  
Monday 14/01/2013, 18:24

Sasha is fine. Not OP, but not bad. Also, it's one of the 3 2* cards in the clan that are sort of usable, the others imo are Redra and Belle.

offline 0_The_Oracle Imperator Open Casket
Tuesday 15/01/2013, 00:44

@nomi you underrate liam. I rate liam as good as redra, and better than belle. You have no idea how great SoA is.

offline E10din Titan Harbingers of Ares
Tuesday 15/01/2013, 01:31

Sasha is a good wall, but predictable. honestly, skeelz need her. i would rather use liam than belle, but redra over both of them.

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