offline 0-RACSO-BZ Titan BrainZtorm
Friday 08/06/2007, 08:05

What can you say about this my friends. when my elo value reached 1380 on thursday i could no longer invite most of the players to fight me and vise versa.

the problem is i do not have the luxery of time to wait and even if i do, i dont think i would waste it staring at the monitor waiting for an opponent.

i know this is to minimize cheating. but please let us not impose any penalty for those who cannot meet the number of fights in a day beacause of this restriction.


offline A_N_N_A Titan  
Friday 08/06/2007, 10:05

Actually the restrictions should imo switch the ranges. Aka you should be able to invite only 50 above your rating but 150 below your rating. Or even without restriction below your rating. Denying low people is bothersome but if you are willing to risk ELO for nothing but fun, it is your choice to challenge low.

I guess that solves your issue and as an added value, brings more sense into the system.

offline Memento Mori Titan Open Casket
Friday 08/06/2007, 11:28

The intention of the last update to the elo system was precisely to limit the possibility of a High ranked player to challenge a
lower rank one

offline Obey Giant Imperator  
Friday 08/06/2007, 13:03

With the new system...on a friday the Danger room is normally paked by 15:00 today theres only 6 players in there...and my score of 1255 is the highest...i cant challenge it takes me twice as much battles to get my ELO score up to scratch...i love this game and its politicssmileysmiley

offline A_N_N_A Titan  
Friday 08/06/2007, 13:44

Who would say that mr Memento Mori, thanks for shedding some light into the problem we were in utter darkness.

I am well aware that there is limit of a high ranked player to challenge low ranked one. But what is precisely the intent of such limitation? I can give reasons for not being able to challenge higher ranked ones (it locks them in challenge they have no intent of accepting as losing vs low ranked player destroyes your ELO yet victory brings very little). But i am afraid you will not find any for the other way around.

offline Memento Mori Titan Open Casket
Friday 08/06/2007, 15:47

You don't need to be sarcastic...

Said by Fraggle, 28/05/07

From now on when you play in ELO mode you will only be allowed to challenge players whose score is within -50 and +150
points of your own. This is intended to prevent players from refusing to fight others of lower level and could be adjusted in the
future if they are too restrictive

Proposal before actual rule, again by Fraggle 24/05/07:

In order to add more fair play (and so.. interrestigness) to the ELO mode, we have read the message boards and an idea
seems very interresting: limit the ability to challenge another ELO player based on both ELO values.
We don't want to penalize refusals in general, because we think it's too much uncomfortable for the honest players.


Thus, a courageous lower than you, player can challenge you but a higher elo player cannot "choose" his opponents in the
lowers players for easy wins. It would also limit some kind of cheat (arranged games).


All is at the staffs forums. And thats the intent of such limitation

offline 6SimS-Sven Master UTOPiA
Friday 08/06/2007, 16:45

Its the way bettersmiley,frustates me sometimes to do it in a short time but now it seems to make me more slowed...anyway patience is a part of game,even you draw aint good,i still try to winsmiley

offline Jaxe VS Titan Vicious Salvo
Friday 08/06/2007, 22:46

I have to agree with Rasco.

Now, granted, I don't play a ton during UR peak times, but I spent 35 minutes waiting for a challenge because there was nobody in the room with a high enough ELO ranking for me to challenge.

I realize that its to prevent lower ranked players from getting stomped on constantly, but don't limit the number of games a high ranked player can play. It makes ELO frustrating, not fun, and I don't think that was the intention of this change at all.

offline 6SimS-Sven Master UTOPiA
Saturday 09/06/2007, 04:10

Jaxe wmd:I realize that its to prevent lower ranked players from getting stomped on constantly, but don't limit the number of games a high ranked player can play. It makes ELO frustrating, not fun, and I don't think that was the intention of this change at all.

In fact most people play elo on weekends(i guess because of work or school),but i bet on weekdays you will not find someone who could challenge you its almost rarely and the best players around...So the conclusion is to play elo on weekends or maybe on daily tournaments,there will be a lot of players smiley

offline A_N_N_A Titan  
Saturday 09/06/2007, 08:21

People... just read what the staff said... the refusals is the problem. I still think the core of the issue is misunderstanding.

Lower level ELO player has no reason to refuse challenge from higher level ELO. Sure, he can lose a tiny bit of ELO, but he can gain tons of rating if he wins. At the same time high ranking ELO player gets little from winning such match and risks a lot. Besides prearanged matches (a completely different problem and one that can be worked around even under the restrictions) challenging low ELO players is not the way to farm ELO, it is the way to wreck your ELO.

Again. It is higher level ELO who has any reason to refuse challenge. This can get frustrating for both sides but mostly for said high level as he is unable to issue challenge while he has another challenge pending, which he has no intent on accepting.

I do respect the staff for implementing such rule and i think it is a good thing. But i highly suspect there is slight error of what the intent was and how the actual rule was implemented, leading to switching low and high boundary around (probably from perceiving the problem from the point of view of the challenged player - who is the one having issues - and not the one issuing challenge).

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