This is copied from the Elo thread.
I'd think it would be funny to have someone say something like "Fei is garbage" again.
A few cards I think that don't need DT penalties
Oxen - Really, oxen having a DT penalty is ridiculous
Dorian - Same as above
Eddie - This is DT and you are giving a Heal card a penalty???
Nanook - Seriously? 2 pts?
Cards that need lower DT penalties
Striker - 1pt penalty
Lamar + Vickie - Lamar needs 2 and Vickie needs 5.
Mona - 2 pts
Hugo - 2 pts maybe to remove Atk manip domination.
Eyrik - 2pts
Ambre- 5 pts
Morphun - 1 pt (In Dt, you aren't supposed to last all the rounds)
Eklore - 1 pt
Elvis - 1pt
Jackie Cr - Reduce to a 2 pt penalty. Look at hawk. I know, extra star, but still.
Marco Cr - Reduce to 2 pt penalty.
Guru Cr - 2pt
Graks - 2 pts DT is definitely not about DR.
Cards that need penalties:
Beeboy - 2pts
Spyke - 5 pts
Mokra : 2 pt
Qubik - Only if they create a 1 pt penalty. He doesn't deserve 2 pts.
Askai - It's a +life clan we're talking about here. Maybe remove, maybe give 1 pt.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Askai should be put in the "Cards that need lower DT penalties" section.
Continuing with cards that need a DT penalty:
Lizbeth : 2pts
Need less penalty:
Smokey : 1pt
Raeth - Give tuck a penalty before this card.
Talijon - Can't believe this.
"Eddie - This is DT and you are giving a Heal card a penalty???"
His heal gets you over 12 life for those extra 2 points for life over 12. Not worth it for the -5 though
"Mona - 2 pts"
I know she doesn't deal much damage, but she's fine at 5. She destroys plenty of cards in tourneys. 10 would be too much though because of her low damage
"Ambre- 5 pts"
Ha no, because then everyone would use ambre anyways for easier wins.
"Jackie Cr - Reduce to a 2 pt penalty. Look at Hawk. I know, extra star, but still."
Hawk's not penalized enough. He should be 5. Jackie should stay -10 because of her better bonus and lower star count.
"Marco Cr - Reduce to 2 pt penalty. "
You'd see more rescue then, do you really want that?
"Guru Cr - 2pt"
"Graks - 2 pts DT is definitely not about DR. "
Even the best players use at least 1 DR. If he has less of a penalty, they'd end up using graksmxxt instead
I guess Qubik is fine. There's an annoying amount of junkz in DTs, so if he does get penalized, -1 would be fine... I guess.
Raeth and Talijon I don't get either. It was probably better to penalize them than dahlia cr
Ok I have a lot of problems with these arguments:
Dorian is a nuke wall there is a reason he has a penalty and its obvious.
Striker needing a lower penalty? He the equivalent of an 8/6 SOA and a 4star
Lamar CR and Vickie CR They are huge nukes for their clans both rocking SOB Im sorry that is deffinitly worth their point bans
mona practically an 8/4 3 star and then throw in 12 attack manip? Thats a hard hit.
Hugo if you say its to remove attack manip dominance wouldnt they run it to for more attack manip?
Morphun hes so broke it doesnt matter. Yes you dont want to play 4 rounds but getting an extra pill each round means you use 1 more pill and on an 8 power card thats better than having hugo.
Ambre would make DT stupid
Jackie Cr is that way for a reason as a 4* it allows to easily fit into the T1 25* bracket for decks and dominate there
GraksmxxT is definitly in need of point bans DRs are still heavily used and he is a hitter too
Lizbeth doesn't need a DT penalty thats where either an SOA or a DR comes into play so dont rule out DRs if you are going to say Lizbeth is a problem
Raeth has the penalty because he stops attack manip clans and then adds attack manip. tuck just stops their abilities so their bonus still triggers thusly why he is lower to get the ban
Taljion is the same as Raeth.
I don't have anything against rescue, unlike many players. Rescue is banned and penalized over and over again. Marco at 2 seems fair if Lizbeth gets 2. The reason is that Marco is not solid and Lizbeth is a bit more solid. That meaning SOA clans don't beat lizbeth but they do beat marco.
Guru at 10 pts is crazy.
Fine, 2 might be a little overboard, but 5 seems fair.
I totally agree.
Mona is way better than a 8,4 -12.
For example, 5 pills on mona (including free pill) can beat all pill fury on Kinjo.
Against nyema, 5 pills can beat 8 pills.
That's the awesomeness of Mona for you!
But the 4 damage is it's weakness. Nyema has 8 and Kinjo has 10.
2 points on Mona!
If they had an 8/4 it be amazing too! (Without soa)
But I don't see how 4 damage is a weakness its good for a 3*