@Paladin: The problem with Tula is that she falls to too many things: attack manip, 8 power or better, ability SOA, COB (sometimes) and protection: power. It's natural for 2*s to be shaky, but still, that's a lot of weaknesses for one card-- you're likely to run into hands that have at least 2 of those things, which makes it really hard for her to win rounds. Tula was a great card once, but she has aged badly (especially compared to her contemporary, Jessie, who is as useful as ever).

Now Lizbeth, on the other hand, has only one weakness: ability SOA. Unless you're facing a hand with 2 or more of those cards (not unheard of, but not common either), it's pretty easy to avoid. And a 9/7 that zaps away bonuses means that very few cards can keep up at high pillz-- and 7-powers fall behind after just 4. I think the superior walling is more useful than pill recovery in most cases; I'd pick Lizbeth as my top Piranas 5*.

I dont see the point of this thread. It really depends on your other cards in your deck.. Lizbeth can be much better than Selma if you build your deck properly. So is the other way round. Why need a tier list for specific star in a specific clan. These debates are honestly pointless.

Selma fits in the Piranas strategy when Lizbeth fails...
for me my favorites 5* :
Selma, Dalhia, Ahkab, Lizbeth and Bloodh

"The problem with Tula is that she falls to too many things: attack manip, 8 power or better, ability SOA, COB (sometimes) and protection: power. It's natural for 2*s to be shaky, but still, that's a lot of weaknesses for one card-- you're likely to run into hands that have at least 2 of those things, which makes it really hard for her to win rounds. Tula was a great card once, but she has aged badly (especially compared to her contemporary, Jessie, who is as useful as ever)."

Lets not forget some ELO-popular(ish, in some cases) cards such as Edwin, Robb, Nellie, Herman (Not much anymore, haha), Lady, Kenny, Cutey, Mona... Most (if not, all) of these cards give Piranas a large amount of trouble, and Tula stomps them all out, *AND* has 4 damage to boot, an insane amount for a 2 star (Esp. a Piranas card). Piranas are behind on damage, and Tula makes up for it, while at the same time countering the cards the clan has trouble with.

"Now Lizbeth, on the other hand, has only one weakness: ability SOA. Unless you're facing a hand with 2 or more of those cards (not unheard of, but not common either), it's pretty easy to avoid. And a 9/7 that zaps away bonuses means that very few cards can keep up at high pillz-- and 7-powers fall behind after just 4. I think the superior walling is more useful than pill recovery in most cases; I'd pick Lizbeth as my top Piranas 5*."

Even if your opponent draws one SOA card, he can bait Lizbeth in a specific round (Not nessecarily beat her, but bait) and be ready for it, whereas Selma is still a decent 7/7 against SOA. Lizbeth's ability gives her powerful stats, but Selma gives pill manip. which the clan needs in order to win 3/4 rounds. It seems like you may have intentionally left out that Selma gives you +2 pillz on a win, allowing you to overpill in some situations and not pay as much as if you did with Lizbeth.

@oracle: Which card is better than which card in terms of abilities since the bonus is the same in clan. That is what ALL of you in this thread are comparing about. Yes. Some stands out more than the others. But ranking the best out of staple cards with the same star count is stupid. Essentially, it all comes down to the rest of the other 7 cards. In need of example?

Let me give you one. My Piranas/Uppers deck: Selma, Hawkins, Ector, Amiral Coco, Dorian, Jose Star, Wendel, Maurice.

Let me quote Raw_Shank.
This is his ranking for 4* Uppers.
Nellie Kazayan Maurice Jody Wayne Stark Beetenka

Maurice is good in this deck because Piranas don't have one. Nellie is a good card but Maurice is better in this situation because of the lack of DR. Having Kazayan and Ector is not a good idea. That is also why it is best to avoid putting Oxen. Now, look at the 5* department. Why Selma? Selma is much better in 4-4 if he doesnt have his bonus with the exception of mono GHEIST and mono Roots. This makes it more prone. Having said that, if the week rarely has Roots and GHEIST, Lizbeth would be my top pick in 4-4 decks but in the current ELO, Roots are going strong so I would not want to risk having a weakened 5* card in the fight.

Quoting Raw_Shanks' ranking again,
Dorian Hefty/Herman(these 2 really boil down to preference) Lady Glenn Jeeves.

In this case, lets say I don't have Dorian. Hefty and Herman. Both seemed to be great cards.
Damage is important. BUT, Herman is better in mono or 5-3, 6-2. In this case, it is not about preference. It is a matter of who is indeed BETTER and stable. In ELO, a good hand is half the battle won. What if you draw Herman without its bonus? Unless you really needs damage, playing 2HKO (which doesn't happen often in 14 life), Hefty is better.

So, the oracle, do you know why it is pointless to come up with such a tier system?

"@cyber then there really is no point in starting forums anyway.... wow

ok everyone has different preferences for Piranas 5*s if you check out this week Lizbeth is on top of the elo election list, 9 power with sob is very threatening in the right hands, something that Selma cant boast. of course Selma is stable, but stable does not necessary win you games."

This thread is indeed pointless. Look at ghelas' thread on ELO. That is a better quality kind of thread for discussion.

I can debate with you when Lizbeth is better than Selma and when it is the other way round.

@4DPaladin:

Any card with a good ability can be baited if you have a SoA. But baiting a card will not necessarily work, and even if it does work, does not guarantee a favorable result. I consider being more baitable a very minor weakness.

@Oracle:

I guess Amiral Coco is a little more stable than Tula, but he also has loads of weaknesses. That 6 power makes him a huge liability against +damage clans, who tend to be around 8 power, or sport power/attack manip abilities. Of course, he's useless against any SoB clan or Skeelz... And last but not least, his low damage can make him a liability even if he wins a round. Imagine him pilling kind of hard to stop a 7 power All Star, and now both you and your opponent are down to about the same number of pills, but he has way more damage in his hand... Even though he can situationally be very good, I don't think he's the Tula replacement Piranas needed.