Lost Hog IS NOT the FOUNDER of Fang Pi Clang

He is the Leader but NOT the FOUNDER

A warrior with a troubled past, Lost Hog nevertheless MADE IT TO THE TOP of the Fang Pi Clang. The strong, silent type, he seems to be able to see into his devoted disciples' souls. Guardian of the Clan's honor, his aim is to clone the late Bruce Lee as he alone knew the secret of the Great Golden Slap.

If he MADE IT TO THE TOP it HAD to have been started before he was a member and he MUST have had to work his way to the top, thus he IS NOT the Founder but IS the Leader.

All Stars-Eyrton
Bangers-Bodenpower
Fang Pi Clang-Lost Hog
Freaks-Boris
GHEIST-Sigmund Cr
Junkz-DJ Korr Cr
La Junta-General Cr
Leader-None other than,NONE
Montana-Don
Nightmare-Ielena
Pussycats-Charlie
Rescue-Kerry
Roots-Sunnygoat
Sakrohm-Guru Cr
Sentinel-Copper
Ulu Watu-Tanaereva
Uppers-Beetenka(I Have Her.)

Roots- Kiki Cr?

Morphun INVENTED these battles. He therefore was the first Leader and technical founder. Also Dorian is much more likely to be a Leader than Beetenka.

Morphun didn't start it all, he founded the formula for pills but he didn't start making clans and stuff.. i think, wakekeke!

King of Doom, please explain your reasoning behind why Dorian is more likely the Uppers Leader. Just because he's a strong card doesn't mean he's the Leader. As I've said before, Beetenka had a bio that suggests she is the Leader of Uppers because she "fights against the poor who strive to become rich. According to her, wealth is transmitted genetically, one doesn't become rich: one either is or one isn't and the poor must remain poor."

To me that seems like the Uppers motto, yet it's in HER bio. I believe that indicates she's the Leader/founder

I feel Uppers and Roots don't leaders/founders, Roots because they are like a grass Roots movement, and Uppers because they each think so highly of themselves that they won't follow other people. Also in Morphun 's bio, it clearly states that hes "the person who started it all

Was Morphun around before pillz were available?
i mean it's called Old for a reason...

i agree with kdgns Uppers and Roots don't really have a clear Leader... i mean people say Kiki, but how can Kiki be a Leader when Roots were around before Kiki? but just because Kiki is a symbol of hope, doesn't make Kiki the Leader.
only older card i see without a reference to joining the Roots is Ataoualpet...


Uppers... i don't know...
Dorian has been around a long while, and certainly fits the Bill.
Beetenka hasn't been around quite long enough i believe to be considered the Leader.
besides... if Beetenka were the Leader, certain members of the Uppers wouldn't have been allowed in, as they weren't born into money as Beetenka believes is a must. we know it isn't Jackie, and we know it isn't Zatman.
just seems like it's a conglomerate of individuals... rich individuals, attending each others parties...

@PuppyChow: As far as the Roots, Matthew doesn't have a reference to joining Roots either, so he's a possible candidate especially with his bio, along with Ataoualpet.

As far as Uppers, Beetenka has been around longer than I have, so I didn't know she wasn't an original, in which case, no, it doesn't make sense for her to be a clan Leader. I'll submit to that reasoning. I still have a hard time seeing Dorian as the Leader of Uppers though, idk why, so I'll agree with your logic of Uppers not having a "Leader" Perhaps they all feel like the Leader in some sense because they're rich and powerful (not only in clint city, but in the meta as well)

Maybe Jeeves is the Leader
nobody suspects the Butler