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This thread is for people to post their statistics on the DT matchmaker
In order to participate all I ask is you play a full DT but you must use 8 cards that have the exact same star count.
For the purpose of testing the match maker it is much easier if we can keep the known variable (our average star count per hand) constant and see what happens to the dependent variable (opponent's hand star count).
You will be posting 2 things
1) the deck you are using (all 5 stars, all 4 stars, all 3 stars, all 2 star)
and
2) the star count of every opponent's hand you face during a DT
once we have enough data... maybe 100 samples.... we can move on and see where the data tells us to go
In order to participate all I ask is you play a full DT but you must use 8 cards that have the exact same star count.
For the purpose of testing the match maker it is much easier if we can keep the known variable (our average star count per hand) constant and see what happens to the dependent variable (opponent's hand star count).
You will be posting 2 things
1) the deck you are using (all 5 stars, all 4 stars, all 3 stars, all 2 star)
and
2) the star count of every opponent's hand you face during a DT
once we have enough data... maybe 100 samples.... we can move on and see where the data tells us to go
11/48
All 4 stars
extended over
4000 player total, about 3000 in the room
1 - 17
2 - 19
3 - 19
4 - 19
5 - 18
6 - 19
7 - 18
8 - 15
9 - 19
10 - 17
11 -18
12 - 20
13 - 16
14 - 16
15 - 19
16 - 19
17 - 20
18 - 18
opponent hands felt a bit heavy there...
extended over
4000 player total, about 3000 in the room
1 - 17
2 - 19
3 - 19
4 - 19
5 - 18
6 - 19
7 - 18
8 - 15
9 - 19
10 - 17
11 -18
12 - 20
13 - 16
14 - 16
15 - 19
16 - 19
17 - 20
18 - 18
opponent hands felt a bit heavy there...
12/48
Good thread so far, I'll try to contribute tonight or tomorrow and see how things go in the Standard room!
Just out of curiosity, Waster and Zoidberg, how's your win rate been in these data sets? Even a very rough estimate (50%? 75%? more?) would be helpful since it gets figured into the formula.
Just out of curiosity, Waster and Zoidberg, how's your win rate been in these data sets? Even a very rough estimate (50%? 75%? more?) would be helpful since it gets figured into the formula.
13/48
Wasteroftime: Um that last one was 45 minutes of playing, i went 14 wins and 4 loss... one loss was vs the 15 star deck. lol. and yes i saw a ton of Amres... at leas 10 times i faced her
im guessing the rooms are extremely heavily loaded with 32-40 star decks....
and enough 16-20 star decks to keep each other busy
the middle of the pack star counts is what is probably getting killed by the match maker.
need people to test all 3 star decks.... my guess is they will have the largest range... makes sense they are in the middle. the matchmaker likely doing its best to match equal decks with them.. but runs into problems and starts feeding them weaker decks or getting fed to bigger decks..
im guessing the rooms are extremely heavily loaded with 32-40 star decks....
and enough 16-20 star decks to keep each other busy
the middle of the pack star counts is what is probably getting killed by the match maker.
need people to test all 3 star decks.... my guess is they will have the largest range... makes sense they are in the middle. the matchmaker likely doing its best to match equal decks with them.. but runs into problems and starts feeding them weaker decks or getting fed to bigger decks..
14/48
Again 24 star deck (Fraggle has posted that the star count works on an average card star value for your deck, ie it makes no difference if you are running 8 3 star cards in your hand or 10 3 star cards in your hand your average star count is still the same) I feel that by eliminating having diffeerent star values of card you are in danger of excluding an important variable in what may be going wrong with the oponent selector (IE it may not be calculating this average correctly for a mixed deck)
anyway my results better but still suggests that the opponent selector is still not working
1 - 15stars I win
2 - 15 I lose
3 - 13 I lose
4 - 12 I win
5 - 15 I win
6 - 19 (Akhab, Bloodh, Dahlia, Scubb opponent has 58% win rate overall) win by time out
7 - 13 I lose
8- 14 I win
9 - 15 I lose
10 - 12 I win
11 - 13 I Win
12 - 14 I win
13 - 13 I win Time Out
14 - 12 I win Time Out
15 - 15 I win
so just the 1 really broken looking result (19 star strong hand against an opponent with a decent win record) this time and my opponents averaged what 14 stars per hand so this would suggest a 28 star deck or 4 more than mine working on the basis some will be drawing the lower cards in there hands and some the higher it would still suggest that I am facing people outside the supposed 6 star limit and the 19 star hand is almost certainly outside the 6 star limit.
anyway my results better but still suggests that the opponent selector is still not working
1 - 15stars I win
2 - 15 I lose
3 - 13 I lose
4 - 12 I win
5 - 15 I win
6 - 19 (Akhab, Bloodh, Dahlia, Scubb opponent has 58% win rate overall) win by time out
7 - 13 I lose
8- 14 I win
9 - 15 I lose
10 - 12 I win
11 - 13 I Win
12 - 14 I win
13 - 13 I win Time Out
14 - 12 I win Time Out
15 - 15 I win
so just the 1 really broken looking result (19 star strong hand against an opponent with a decent win record) this time and my opponents averaged what 14 stars per hand so this would suggest a 28 star deck or 4 more than mine working on the basis some will be drawing the lower cards in there hands and some the higher it would still suggest that I am facing people outside the supposed 6 star limit and the 19 star hand is almost certainly outside the 6 star limit.
15/48
Well I have played multiple DTs with an unbalanced deck of 23* which contains one 5*, one 4*, two 3* and four 2* and I can say that the star count of my opponents differs MASSIVELY.
I play against players with two leaders but maximum of 19* (yet to face a 20*) but I've also faced 8-9* hands. I assume this is due to the fact that my deck has a wide range of 8* - 15* in the hands that it draws, and so I can face a wide range of opponents.
I haven't written down all of my opponents' star counts, but I pretty much face anything (though the higher star counts aren't usually unbeatable, meaning that they only fall into my category because the deck winrate is low compared to mine (I'll end up winning 85% of my matches)). The 8* - 9* are also usually strong decks (Piranas, Junkz, AS, Montana etc. which are the most popular 16* - 18* builds.
So I assume that I face a wide variety because my deck can have a wide range of star counts, and that the deck winrate and player win rate is comparatively high compared to the average (thus why the higher star counts I face aren't impossible).
I play against players with two leaders but maximum of 19* (yet to face a 20*) but I've also faced 8-9* hands. I assume this is due to the fact that my deck has a wide range of 8* - 15* in the hands that it draws, and so I can face a wide range of opponents.
I haven't written down all of my opponents' star counts, but I pretty much face anything (though the higher star counts aren't usually unbeatable, meaning that they only fall into my category because the deck winrate is low compared to mine (I'll end up winning 85% of my matches)). The 8* - 9* are also usually strong decks (Piranas, Junkz, AS, Montana etc. which are the most popular 16* - 18* builds.
So I assume that I face a wide variety because my deck can have a wide range of star counts, and that the deck winrate and player win rate is comparatively high compared to the average (thus why the higher star counts I face aren't impossible).
16/48
I play with a 20* deck. 1 5*, no 4* 1 3* and 6 2*
I play hands with about 14* for most of the time and I have about 11-12 star hands on average. That is consistant until the last 5 minutes, where I face 18-19* hands with an 8* hand.
I play hands with about 14* for most of the time and I have about 11-12 star hands on average. That is consistant until the last 5 minutes, where I face 18-19* hands with an 8* hand.
17/48
Used a 25 star deck to do the life mission, last opponent I faced drew a 19 star hand
next 2 fights I switched to a 24 star deck opponents had 16 star hand and a 16 star hand and I've had enough after that!
next 2 fights I switched to a 24 star deck opponents had 16 star hand and a 16 star hand and I've had enough after that!
18/48
I faced a 19 star hand with a nine star hand...
19/48
Pls provide more info nnjabanditpig.... if we are going to demonstrate where this matchmaker is working and where it is failing.... if it was his best hand vs your worse hand then i dont see the issue with 9 star vs 19 stars. factor in winning streaks and losing streaks. etc
20/48
Ok same 24 star deck
Pre Tournement 3000 people in the room opponents ave 13.1
1 - 16 Loss
2 - 14 win
3 - 13 loss
4 - 15 Draw
5 - 12 Win
6 - 12 Loss
7 - 12 win
8 - 12 win
9 - 14 loss
10 - 11 win
In Tournement 4000 people in the room opponents average 14.53
1 - 12 win
2 - 16 win
3 - 12 win Forefiet
4 - 13 Draw
5 - 14 win
6 - 12 win
7 - 15 win
8 - 16 win
9 - 14 win
10 - 14 win
11 - 18 win (Benico, Hopper Ld, Troomph, Bridget)
12 - 16 win
13 - 15 loss
14 - 14 win
15 - 16 win
16 - 17 win
17 - 13 loss
well early doors it looked ok but the opponents decks were definatly getting on the heavey side again, and again if you use the simple formulae of double opponents average hand to get average deck size we are looking at a deck size of 29 or 5 stars above my own (In fact if you looked at the last 10 fights it would average just over 30, or more than 6 stars more than my own deck).
I had slow connection and a few opponents were really slow so I only got in 17 fights
Pre Tournement 3000 people in the room opponents ave 13.1
1 - 16 Loss
2 - 14 win
3 - 13 loss
4 - 15 Draw
5 - 12 Win
6 - 12 Loss
7 - 12 win
8 - 12 win
9 - 14 loss
10 - 11 win
In Tournement 4000 people in the room opponents average 14.53
1 - 12 win
2 - 16 win
3 - 12 win Forefiet
4 - 13 Draw
5 - 14 win
6 - 12 win
7 - 15 win
8 - 16 win
9 - 14 win
10 - 14 win
11 - 18 win (Benico, Hopper Ld, Troomph, Bridget)
12 - 16 win
13 - 15 loss
14 - 14 win
15 - 16 win
16 - 17 win
17 - 13 loss
well early doors it looked ok but the opponents decks were definatly getting on the heavey side again, and again if you use the simple formulae of double opponents average hand to get average deck size we are looking at a deck size of 29 or 5 stars above my own (In fact if you looked at the last 10 fights it would average just over 30, or more than 6 stars more than my own deck).
I had slow connection and a few opponents were really slow so I only got in 17 fights
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