40enMon, 12 Jul 2010 08:04:12 GMTMon, 12 Jul 2010 08:04:12 GMTSat, 10 Jul 2010 16:38:49 GMT
As for the argument between DT penalty points and DM noob bonus points, idk if I can explain it any simpler than this:
- a lower level opp going against a higher leveled opp. Nothing to lose, a little more to gain than his opponent.
- If this were a DT, this would be considered a hand with 0 elo banned cards.
- However this "0 elo banned hand" will happen more often than for a player in a DT with even just 1 elo banned card in his deck (within a 20 minute period).

TBH, I don't know what to make of this, I haven't really been paying attention through a whole DT trying to find out how many points I lost due to the -2 point penalty but I just know giving low level player an advantage is ridiculous. If they feel good enough to step into the room with veteran players, then they should all be on the same playing field as everybody else. Treat every player equally]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:20:33 GMT but there is a huge difference between winning streaks and persecution. if you win against different opponents it's justified to get a bonus because that's something not easy to do, there is even a mode based around it (survivor)

persecution however is like a penalty for having bad luck with the random opponent selection so i don't get how it helps the mode. instead of it just remove the winning streak bonus against opponents you already fought.]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:30:00 GMT
Persecution means that if you keep beating someone, then you are certainly better than him, so you get less points etc.. Keep the scores tight. The general idea is that if you are better than your opps, you need to work a bit more, you get an handicap.

It will never be fully balanced unless everyone plays the same deck. Theses are just additionals rules to make the DM more fun (-for some-, I can understand -you- dont like bonuses).]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:18:20 GMT actually i think the bonus points are getting out of hand. people with worse scores win deathmatches because of those.
especially the persecution is unnecessary, I mean we don't select our opponents so there can actually be no persecution.
a set amount of games would balance things out too. right now luck plays a way to big roll in dms]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:19:05 GMT
You are comparing apple to orange.
-2 points in a ~20 pts avg to counter balance a clear advantage of using specific cards in a more oriented toward "serious" competition is not the same as -2 points (since it changed from -5 to -2 like one month ago) for a 40-70 pts per win avg in a mode oriented toward fun.

We appreciate how passionate you are about the game, really
But sometime you seems to forget that it's a game and some part of it are "just for fun"
]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:13:43 GMT]]>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:13:13 GMT
You kno i actualy lost a couple of DMs bcoz of those "5 freaking points"

A noob comes up with good cards , and makes me lose my streak...jumps above me simply bcoz of dat

he iz 3/1
i m 3/1
he wins d DM ..]]>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:53:42 GMT]]>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:16:01 GMT]]>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:03:10 GMT
Fraggle: That only 5 freaking points, not a big deal

Me: psh yeah, and I'm guessing the -2 points per Staff banned character deduction is also no big deal in DT's LOL]]>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:17:47 GMTTue, 15 Jun 2010 07:33:02 GMT people are always gonna be vocal when there's such a nice forum to chatter about it

I really think you guys did a great job with this new system
I'm playing an old Ulu Watu / Uppers DT deck, which (after the new rules where imposed) is useless in DT's nowadays
It slaughters in Survivor and Deathmatch mode

I think the true strength of Deathmatch is the fact you can use any and all cards, without restriction in a fast and furious 20 minutes of Rivals...
and I think that if the no opponnent found problem is solved, the game will be more enjoyable
but hey, that's what a beta version is for right??


good job UR!!
and thanks Fraggle for your comments
pz]]>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:47:49 GMT Before the "extratime" feature, you were cut in the middle of a fight as soon as 20 minutes hit.
That was really annoying (and people were vocals about it).]]>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:01:52 GMTELO cheating... both modes requires the same level to play.
- thought the level cap was 20... my mistake, sorry!! ..

- Anyway, can things be "just for fun" from time to time ?

absolutely they can and they should be, but then don't call this game deathmatch,
call it "the coffee corner"
I think the DM system allows for slaughter on a true grand scale, where all the big cards come and play, penalty free
I really like the fact that there now is a gamesystem where the best can really be the best and if you're not,
tough luck...
you don't get to win a DeathMatch until you're good enough
and have invested time and interest in the game, its's cards and mechanics..

- What about if that's you finishing your game during the extra time ?
It's not...I play fast, I don't keep opp. waiting, and will finish a game within 2 minutes if possible
if not, it's my (slow) opp.'s fault
real easy, but really true

- I know it's annoying but is it THAT annoying, can't you wait 4 minutes ?
not to be disrespectfull, but I think an admin should know better then to answer
with this comment..Off course I cannot wait for even a minute, because other people are getting points I'm not and if I was in this game for charity, I would play and let everyone win...

I don't..

I play this game to win
cause it's a deathmatch]]>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:32:52 GMT
That only 5 freaking points, not a big deal
And lower level players can have big cards, it just depends if they "got the game" quickly or not (I know a few low level friends of mine that are very very good at thoses kind of game and it shows).
And I dont see how this can in any way relate to any kind of ELO cheating... both modes requires the same level to play.
Anyway, can things be "just for fun" from time to time ?

- the player selection stinks..I play 4 or 5 games versus the same player even if I beat him every time
it's not fair play , or
- no games at all, like other players already commented..."can't find opponnent (for 3 frigging minutes..)

With a small pool of players, you may have problems with availability of opp, exactly as it would be if you are 2 players on a 16 players map of an FPS. The QB system will always try to find a fresh opponent for you, but after 30sec, if no new opponents are available, it will allow the last opp to be played again. Either we have a bigger pool, but it's lessen the spirit of the DM (revenge/persecution etc..), or we live with thoses issues (wich become less a problem when more and more players goes into DM).

-or waiting for a new DM to start...for 4 minutes beacause 2 slomo's need to finish a game of "catch the snail"

What about if that's you finishing your game during the extra time ?
I know it's annoying but is it THAT annoying, can't you wait 4 minutes ?

- matching same levels would be fake...that would mean selection and I thought selection in this game was random...selection of cards, selection of player to play against and again...this will only stimulate multi accounters to cheat..

I'm not sure I understand. But in a DM, selection is totally random (beside what I said about avoiding twice the same opp).]]>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:22:31 GMT yeah me too, but it only happens after a certain amount of time

@ DarqueWyngDuk
I thinks it's quite irritating to lose from a lower level player, because they get extra points for beating a higher level player
I don't think that's fair...I've invested a lot of time to become the player I am today and that's why I win (or lose)
why would a lower level player be rewarded for beating me?? I've seen level 10 - 20 players with enormous cards
how can that be possible in the world of fair play??? (maybe DM is a place for multi accounters to level up quickly so they can cheat in ELO mode)


I like the concept, I only think it's poorly executed
I timed out twice and that made me decide to post some critism here

- I don't think players of lower levels should get extra points, only give extra points for winning consequetively
- the player selection stinks..I play 4 or 5 games versus the same player even if I beat him every time
it's not fair play , or
- no games at all, like other players already commented..."can't find opponnent (for 3 frigging minutes..)
-or waiting for a new DM to start...for 4 minutes beacause 2 slomo's need to finish a game of "catch the snail"
- matching same levels would be fake...that would mean selection and I thought selection in this game was random...selection of cards, selection of player to play against
and again...this will only stimulate multi accounters to cheat..

that's it respect 2 all DM pwners I meet ]]>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:04:26 GMT If they make this a proper game type, I'd also like to see rooms divided by level, so that a level 70 player who's been playing since the beginning can't find himself a room with level 10 players for an easy win.]]>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:58:45 GMT]]>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:33:23 GMT not the someone has 10games, and the other 3.]]>