40enFri, 25 Jun 2010 18:30:13 GMTFri, 25 Jun 2010 18:30:13 GMT
You sure it's not just you? All Stars eat GHEIST alive...]]>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:15:06 GMTGHEIST does a number on my All Stars deck so try them out]]>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:45:02 GMTMontana and Hugo (R) screws All Stars literally its hilarious

AGREED.

If something was invincible, it's probably Hug-Tana.

c'mon i was 16th in a DT once with All Stars Piranas with Striker even.
Last 3 matches were losses to high level players with Hug-Tana.]]>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:43:52 GMTRescue, All Stars, Jungo, practically any clan except for GHEIST.
Clans that has an SoB Bonus: Nightmare, and Piranas.
You may find some other cards with SoB abilities in other clans.]]>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:34:32 GMTEyrik :/. I think i've played against him lots of times this day with All Stars. There shud be a Leader or a card that does " Stop opponent's leader's ability".]]>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:43:52 GMTRescue are good against All Stars. But once you are above 1300 you hardly see anyone using them. On top of that if they have Eyrik they are quite godly.]]>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:11:42 GMTMontana and Hugo screws All Stars literally its hilarious]]>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:51:47 GMTRescue sledge and Kerry just destroyed trhem and many people r just posting matchups that favor them and after thinking over this for a while i believe we will never come to a conclusion because evryone has they're favorite clan for whatever reason they will defend it till the end of time (or at least the internet
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just wanna throw this in here La Junta r my favorite clan and they r week against All Stars unless ur very clever and use Emeth and Burger and Trish if robb come up. I personal dont do well when using Piranas and (in my opinion they r a bad clan in T2 but alright in ELO) but a real clever player can make them work All Stars r my 3rd favorite clan and they really mess with ur enemy. sorry i got off topic but in my opinion the best Piranas r no match for the best Nightmare and in the end it all really falls to the players skills. So I think we should just agree to disagree. And shadowcouncil if u were a little less agressive people would listen to u more u make a lot of good points but no one listens if they feel threatened because it's instinct to fight back. If u read this all the way through I thank u for ur patience.]]>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:34:22 GMTAll Stars vs hugtana and then tell me who is more invincible ]]>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:04:20 GMTRescue i thought they were invincible with some havin high power i could easily defeat Montana and Piranas never threatened me. But Nightmare i would have to dig deep. I have also recently started using All Stars. They r powerful and good for dealing with the clan that i have the most trouble with (Ulu Watu). However attack manipulation clans mainly Uppers. Nightmar i can deal with with my 7 powered All Stars. Sorry but they r not invincible but they r quite good although any clan in the use of an experinced player can beast.
However in ELO i have to say they r at least in the top 3 clans (depending on who is banned) I am a fan of All Stars but they r by no means invincible
now it's time for a random face adventure ^______^]]>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:20:29 GMTEyrik (R) is drwn with them. At that point I do believe they're invincible."

I've taken them down plenty of times in this context to prove the claim wrong, and I'm not even that great a player.]]>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:11:05 GMTBangers cancel them out making it a fairly even match. I don't think Ulu Watu has the same advantage because they don't cause enough damage. SOA clans are complete booty againt them. I've had the most success with a mixed deck, ie Pussycats and Freaks. Were you're working for a split, causing high to moderate damage and poison with your wins; while blocking and letting the poison work for you in the losses. And I've yet to win a battle if Eyrik is drwn with them. At that point I do believe they're invincible.]]>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:30:35 GMTRescue Elo deck when Sledg is available:
Sledg, Kerry, Glosh, Elvira, Anita, Lea, Krash, Steve.

Of that group 3 get their bonus against anything but a full stop. Two are defensive cards against SoB. Two pack a 7 power without the bonus, and only Glosh is dependent on his bonus. Again, if GHEIST and Roots got hit by ELO bans you can even drop Glosh for Suzie who rocks even without the bonus.

Rescue can work without the bonus. That's why Piranas aren't that bug a deal for Rescue if Sledg is around.]]>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:25:50 GMT
Dude, your insistence that Sledg is best played with that many pillz is utterly ridiculous. You absolutely cannot take such specific situations and apply them to UR in such a general sense.

I've hardly ever seen Sledg used as you mention it, and that's because it's a foolhardy tactic that would be crushed the vast majority of the time.]]>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 07:22:08 GMT
Put it this way..in your situation the hands would likely be something like this:

Slyde - Sledg - Krash - Anita

Ulrich - Sting - Tyd - Tula

Rescue opens with Slyde. Piranas player plays Tula. 12 - 11 to Piranas life, all pillz remaining. Piranas player plays Ulrich. Rescue player plays Krash. Rescue player wins the round, life remaining is 11 - 13 (so Rescue are winning).

Now remember, this is YOUR SITUATION. Rescue player starts - he needs a win from either of his 2 cards. He plays 10 pillz Sledg, Tyd needs to use 11 to win, and Anita finishes off with her 2 pillz stronger than Sting's one..final life is 9 - 8 to Rescue.

Now you're going to say I came up with the perfect situation with Rescue which is true. BUT, you yourself said that rounds 1 and 2 would be trading DR while round 3 and 4 were important. I did that and Rescue came out on top with a clever play. Show me one player that uses all their pillz on Sledg against Piranas and I'll say you're right. But until then, it's all theory and no practicality.]]>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:24:19 GMT
Rescue is a clan that heavily depends on its bonus which makes Piranas one of its worst match ups.
Rescue has a character, Sledg which helps a lot in the Piranas match up.
Unfortunately Sledg is 5* which means when he is drawn the Rescue player has lost initiative 90% of the time.
This not only allows the Piranas player to counter Sledg with Tyd, Sting, Ulrich or whatever else, especially in a 1/2 deck, it allows Piranas to find favorable match ups everywhere else as well, controlling damage and pilling.

Not to mention, Piranas is already completely disrupting the typical "wait and see" Rescue pilling strategy.

If you work out the math, nothing the Rescue player does to deviate from "all in on Sledg" is going to help him against Piranas. He needs to win with Sledg. He can't win 3 rounds. He can't control which 2 rounds he wins. If one of the rounds he wins isn't Sledg, he can't win.

So Piranas vs. Sledg is not close to a 50/50 match up.

Even if Rescue draws both Sledg and Kerry think about it: if you play Kerry 2 or 4, she's terrible since she loses her SOB, and if you play Kerry 3 then Sledg isn't facing Tyd, Sledg is facing 10 power Sting. If you play Kerry 1, she gets reduced with Ulrich or I beat her with Smokey or another pill manipulator because you lose if you go all-in with her on the 1st turn.]]>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:26:26 GMT You've selected 1 situation out of all the things that can happen. 1, if all my other 3 cards are low stars, you might still go first. And honestly, you've selected everything to go weirdly in your way. Anything can happen in ELO, They might bluff with Sledg and there "who cares" card could be a furious Kerry. I wouldn't pill 12 on Tyd anyway, really. I don't think most people would.]]>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:59:56 GMTKerry, Sledg, Lea, Steve, Anita, and Elvira being in the mix. the "standard" ELO Rescue deck, with Sledg, does pretty well against any Piranas build without Morphun. The only really dead card in that match up for Rescue is Glosh, and if you're expecting a heavy Piranas presence in ELO you can ditch him for Suzie. Should you make that change up, Rescue is sitting pretty well.

You're only out powered by Tyd and Dalhia, and not by much there. Elvira and Lea disrupt early attempts at the Pillz chain. Elvira simply because of SoA, Lea because they'll have to blow their generated Pillz advantage just to beat her in a low pillz battle. Ulrich doesn't do much to Anita, Krash, or Suzie any of whom can be used against Ulrich if he pushes, or to ward off Ulrich if they push. And Steve on the other side can negate incoming fury.

I'd put a good player with Sledg and Rescue at 50% against a good player with Piranas everytime. Your scenario makes a lot of assumptions that aren't good. You've given the Piranas player a god hand of Tyd, Ulrich, and Sting, and assumed that the Rescue draws Steve, Sledg. The remaining two Rescue slots can totally change the game, not to mention what happens if you don't draw your hand of choice.

Though I do agree that if there's a clan with no weakness, its Piranas. A good Piranas player will match up pretty well against a good player packing almost anything else. And if Morphun is in play..]]>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:32:59 GMTSledg (C) beats Tyd (C) 0-10 pillz. And I think that's the usual range for people playing with Sledg (C). "

And you would be wrong. Rescue vs. Piranas, the correct play (and the best play) is 12 pills on Sledg:

Since you drew Sledg, Piranas have the initiative.
You aren't coming over with Sledg first, your play is going to be a DR if you have it, I don't care who I play because it doesn't matter who wins.
On 2, I'm going over with something inconsequential like Ulrich 2nd round. Since this round don't matter either, the correct play for Rescue is no pills. You lose hard if you pill in these 2 rounds.
Now I have Tyd and Sting left and you have Sledg and who cares. So you come over with Sledg on turn 3 with 12 pills because Sting gets Courage on turn 4 and would own Sledg even harder than Tyd. I stop Sledg with Tyd at 12 pills then I come over and Sting beats up whoever you have left.

The best play is to put 12 pills on Sledg on 3 because Rescue can't beat Sting on 4.

That's what happens every time.

Since Rounds 1 or 2 don't matter, Rescue can't get a better result. Piranas is going to get wins with Tyd and Sting and that's going to beat what Rescue wins with. If Rescue pills and plays any differently, not only does Piranas still win the last 2 rounds with Tyd and Sting, but possibly do 2 more damage with Fury as well.

So Sledg in no way whatsoever makes it a 50/50 match up...]]>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:30:29 GMTMarina,Striker,Oyoh,robb

VS

Wee Lee,Lulabee,Nanook,Shayna]]>