40enSun, 03 Apr 2011 06:38:31 GMTSun, 03 Apr 2011 06:38:31 GMTLou Arno noodile Yookie Rico Ratanah even OP in elo?
Shakra sure he is but the rest of the clan is not"

Individually they may not be overpowered, but together they sure are. You can make a half deck, all of 7 or 8 power, and with 4 - 5 damage each, with decent abilities like attack manipulation and DR, all with SOA, for just 13*? That half deck would cripple lots and lots of clans (Sakrohm, Vortex, La Junta, Fang Pi Clang). Then you have the added flexibility of choosing between 2 more DRs, a nuke, and an all stop? (Burdock). Heck you could even throw in a life gap card (Amanie) and suddenly you'd only need 2 rounds.

Unless the SOA clans are nerfed, there is just a revolving cycle: SOA (GHEIST, Roots) vs SOA strong (Ulu Watu, Skeelz) vs SOA weak (Sakrohm, La Junta) and even then SOA vs SOA strong isn't always a sure win
]]>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 05:12:29 GMT or a knights clan where it is people like Robin hood or aragon and legolas.]]>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:56:26 GMT

Cool realization dude! a lot of people couldn't have thought of that..
and yeah. apology accepted ]]>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:41:58 GMT]]>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:38:27 GMT ) about why they put Robb Cr as cr and i've come up with this:

Robb was constantly in and out of ELO. Player bans (and recently staff bans) because he was a major threat and highly used. Now he's a cr, less people will get him and over time his usage will drop. That way UR can still protect some of the great ELO cards, simply because he won't be one of the top used cards.
Just my take, not sure whether you people will all agree ]]>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:47:42 GMTSun, 20 Mar 2011 18:33:01 GMTPiranas. After all, they're Pirates who live on a boat. Exactly how long are they planning on hanging around on land anyways?

Of course, once you think about it, any clan has the potential for CR treatment. Roots go natural, Ulu Watu move on down the beach, Jungo leave for the jungle, La Junta are redeployed elsewhere, etc.]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:49:26 GMT
Abilities existing right now are finite(yep. you could count them one by one.)
But Abilities that could bring interest? Ideas? (basing on the capacity of the human mind). I cannot completely say its infinite but its numbers are enough to prove you wrong. UR is not stagnating because they're recycling abilities.

note: in calculus. infinity doesn't mean infinite. it means a very large number.

Statistically speaking. if you check Memento Mori's UR Character Database. Only an average of 3 cards. have the same stats.
Some two.Some only one. some are none. Some maybe 6(actually I don't recall any 6 cards in UR which has the same abilities). And 6 cards is only less than 1% of all cards in urban. Not significant enough to say that "UR is stagnating because of abilities". (5% is the significant number in order to prove your statement.) Not to mention the clan combo's.

I also don't like the idea of a whole clan being CR. But it's fine. it won't happen anyway.it doesn't have to happen. Because I think UR is capable of continuing to milk the diamond mine of clint city w/o relying on "Boostr".

I'm just guessing.. what makes UR stagnate is because of the cycling schedule. not the cards released. but the events per month. if only UR could make the game more exciting without relying on the card aspect of the game.]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:08:44 GMTLou Arno noodile Yookie Rico Ratanah even OP in elo?
Shakra sure he is but the rest of the clan is not]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:13:58 GMT
What I disagree with is retiring a whole clan now, for the sake of some people wanting to use its cards in ELO.

As for keeping the game fresh - who among us would argue against that? I'd suggest things like new abilities, new clans with bonuses, but thats another topic entirely.
Like it or not 'retiring a whole clan' sounds instantaneous to anyone who read the previous pages, and I think it would not solve the stagnation (so to speak); and worse still sounds like a 'taking the high-road' argument for people who actually just want to enjoy their exclusive use in ELO.]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 03:00:01 GMT With the creation of the Ld characters, there are no new clans being made like there usually would. I just don't see how with new bloods every other week and Crs twice a year how they will continue to keep the game fresh
. Besides, A whole clan Cr will eventually happen, albeit years down the road,and not all at once, but like i said that clans already have several cards that are too similar to each other.The abilities available are finite, there are only so many combinations of power plus, damage minus, revenge defeat, etc. that they can cram into a clan.
I have every faith that yes, in a distant future, there will be a complete clan that is Cr. Will it be all it once? No. But it will happen. It has to happen if Boostr wants to continue milking the diamond mine of clint city]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:49:32 GMTRoots cards and because there are a lot of them out there already made the price would be like Terry Cr for the medium cards and wouldn't rise much or even at all. The rarer cards may reach 40k or so but they won't go up much after that. Basically a lot of people that have at least 5k can afford at least one of the Crs if an entire clan was made cr.]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:18:09 GMTRoots, check Bristone; Rescue etc.. If, as I suggested, more ELO playable cards are released, you'd get more substitutes when decent cards get banned as people aren't going to ban them all.

@ Chaos Bleedz But its obvious that, if Roots are all CR-ed; and they do re-release some cards with similar abilities; either
A) OP cards are still released, they get banned as usual
B) They only re-release weaker cards
(plus to be totally similar, they need to be in either GHEIST, or a new SOA clan)

In BOTH situations, the obvious outcome is that you're banking on the good/OP now-CR-Roots cards won't be banned, so a minority of players who'd have them can use them in ELO. As Wombatz said this is obviously messing with the balance in a mode thats supposed to be the fair-est of 'em all, heh.

Honestly if CR-ing all of them for the sake of 'letting the new cards come through' meant perma-ELO-banning all of them, would you bother to suggest it?

Too many cards being released may be a problem in the future(and the stuff of another discussion), but is not a valid reason towards CR-ing a clan - which at the moment only seems to be selfishly-motivated.]]>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:05:36 GMT As far as it being unfair to new players, I don't see DJ Korr Cr being multimillion clintz as very fair to any player. Besides, using the Roots as example, even most noobs have a few... Cr the whole clan and they now have Jeto cr or Burdock cr... and since so many people would have them, they wouldn't be that pricey.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:48:54 GMT I like Elo because it is a somewhat even playing field. If you want to crush noobs with overpowered cards play any room other than Elo. A powerful non-banned elo half deck for half a million Clintz with ArnoCr YookieCr JeenaCr and RicoCr is just a horrible idea as it completely screws over the balance between old/rich and new/poor players. Elo is the only place in UR where skill matters more than a huge bank account (well, you need 30k Clintz or whatever to be competitive alright), please leave it at that.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:30:33 GMTELO cards for Root?"

They do then after 4 weeks they will be vote banned and staff banned until they become perma banned like almost every ELO usable card for Roots.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:37:22 GMTDiego win against Zatman? And it's not that being CR cards that matters; it's that CR become exclusive and exspensive. Especially if you CR an ENTIRE CLAN so it can be un-banned in elo (which btw isn't how the staff works, Smokey turned CR and got Perma-Banned.)

Sure, Roots my not get the treatment they deserve and they may not be the best, but making them all CR is just horrendously selfish.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:28:23 GMTElo.
The idea of Elo is "may the best win" and not "may the one with 5 bazillon Clintz win"."
Nope, that wouldn't work. All cards can beat any card. It not like a card becoming a cr makes it so unstopable that it needs a ban.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:55:53 GMTELO...

Isn't a better solution simply to have more releases of decent ELO cards for Roots?
I'd agree strongly with anyone who says that currently the majority of Roots cards are either too strong or just not good enough for ELO.]]>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:37:00 GMTRoots then they become less popular due to people not being able to afford them, this means they don't get the ban Hammer anymore, that leads to all the Roots being unbanned and the rich using the usual OP 11* half of Roots.

There trying to make to make a fun yet fair game and Cr'ing all the Roots does neither.

GW@Z!]]>