40enTue, 01 Jan 2013 16:44:12 GMTTue, 01 Jan 2013 16:44:12 GMTMok or Mawpin for example. 8/4 with SoA/SoB is not very balanced either... but they think is if their abilities gets stopped they are weak.

I think that perhaps high minimum would be fine, but another thing that I think UR has to make are DRs and defeat. currently, Tiwi Ld is the only defeat, and without it Frozn is almost unplayable (unless Kalindra the beast is released). Making cards even more predictable with double revenge or courage + revenge is NOT smart....]]>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:40:10 GMTSkeelz bonus is something else entirely.
Because it works as "no bonus" in most games, it justifies giving them nutty attack and power manip, so that they can compete with strong attack/power manip cards from other clans... EXCEPT, while those cards can usually be diminished by SoA or SoB, Skeelz abilities just can't be touched.

As far as Frozn go, that's a whole different can of worms... Their cards "have" to be "bad," because if they were good, any time they had Revenge they would be completely OP. Look at an average card like Ralph. Give those same exact stats to Frozn and you suddenly have a card that wins rounds better than Spyke, when Revenge is active. What UR developers haven't realized yet is that high mins are the key to making power manip and damage increase abilities that are balanced for them. I hacked up some cards in the "make your own card" thread in the General forums that demonstrate it. Pasting the stats for one here for reference.

3*
8/3
-3 Opp Life, Min 8

A card like that could hit hard first or second turn, or after the opponent gained life... But the high Min on his ability would significantly limit how much damage he could dish out, because his raw damage (5 in Revenge) would be resolved before his ability. Frozn needs more balanced cards like this to avoid being completely predictable, IMO.]]>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:19:10 GMTSkeelz 's bonus imo is the worst lol.

going a bit off topic, but Frozn would have been usable if more defeat cards were introduced. problem is that drawing 2-4 revenge cards in one hand is just utterly pathetic. as of now, I think that UR thinks that their clan bonus is ABOVE AVERAGE, hence releasing crappy cards compared to the meta. look at their 4 stars, Tsuka is the best one but what is she compared to something like Zinfrid?? and Zinfrid is not even a good card.]]>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:22:35 GMTBerzerk and Frozn are tied for the worst bonus in game, as far as I'm concerned. With their gap being hard-capped the way it is, they deserve a few card that win rounds a little bit better than a typical +damage clan so they can compete with power and attack manip clans. As things stand now, they have to fight them at a disadvantage that a strong 2-round victory can't make up.]]>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:34:03 GMTKostner is crap.
@awilly bad suggestion 4*s reducers are usually bad. and 7 power is pretty bad with no support.

without Spyke they are pretty much almost unusable. they need a good 3* or 5*. personally, Cortez does not cut it, kinda a bad card i donnt care if he is 8/8 backlash and bad bonus = bad. might even take Taylor over him. they need something that has -2 life min 0 without stupid stop.]]>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:18:55 GMTElvis, Lola, Kostner, Melanie make for a mean half-deck. That being said, Qubik, Tremorh, Ramona, Flanagan outshine it in almost every way.]]>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:41:09 GMT 7/4
-4 Damage min. 1]]>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:54:52 GMTBerzerk still have a good half deck, especially with Sprinter here, yadda yadda, but you see them about as often as Ulu Watu and Junta.]]>Fri, 25 May 2012 09:49:14 GMT Anyway, I wasn't trying to say that people who make 1300+ are "bad" players. The terms are relative here. 1400+ is a player with a fair bit of expertise, 1300+ is still something to be proud of, 1200+ means you're on the right track.

Back to the topic, though. Does anyone else feel that Berzerk are a bit lacking without old Spyke around?]]>Fri, 25 May 2012 09:12:17 GMTSpyke is a mistake he would get banned as 5* card too, if we would have more cards like him we could run "bunch of op cards" deck with no consideration to bonus.

Berserk don't need saving.

What about other clans that don't get used or even the one suffering from exactly the same problem 1 often banned card Uranus but actually lack the card strength to back it up if she is gone.]]>Fri, 25 May 2012 05:56:23 GMTELO.]]>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:41:38 GMT
E.G. a 8/8 might seem powerful but if the rest of the clan is 1/1 no ability cards then theres not much use in the 8/8 but if the cards a 7/7 or 7/6 but the other clan cards are powerful then the 7/7 is good.]]>Sat, 19 May 2012 15:00:55 GMTBerzerk are totally unplayable, it's just that I feel they're a little lack-luster without Spyke, that they need a bit more oomph, or they risk ending up with the same level of interest as La Junta...

@Trippie:
"You forget that the Berzerk bonus doesn't become useless after you hit once, so Bogdan and Magda combined will do about 11 damage in ELO (due to min. 3), and so will Elvis and Miho (up till min. 2).

Depending on the other cards the amount will vary but it's not a big difference (esp. since Berzerk min. is better than Freaks' min)."

That's a good observation, but it doesn't change the fact that a single Freaks card can hit incredibly hard. Because of that, they have more strategies available to them than the Berzerk. You can mix Freaks with a DR or wall half-deck, and play a damage denial game... Or hit with a life gain/heal card, ensuring that your Freaks bonus goes off for the maximum number of rounds.
Another up side is that the Freaks bonus helps fight life gain. If your opponent gains a few life, you get 13 damage out of hitting with Bogdan and Magda, while Elvis and Miho still hit for 11.
Last, but not least, Freaks has a lot more cards with round-winning abilites than Berzerk does, giving them excellent clan synergy...

@ Amber:
Good card suggestions! Something like that would help round Berzerk out. A 4* with 8/5 prot: bonus would be an awesome addition to their lineup!]]>Sat, 19 May 2012 13:04:21 GMTElo. I just get lucky sometimes

Well anyway, Berzerk aren't really that great in mono as compared to being used in halves. This is because Berzerk do not have Support: cards like La Junta, nor do they have a round-winning bonus like so many clans out there, meaning that they will have trouble against Rescue, Montana, etc. Especially Buckler and Desmond where Spyke can't show his charm.

If Berzerk were to lose Spyke, they would really be crippled. They're good already, but without Spyke there just isn't any reason to use them anymore. On Spyke-banned days I don't think I've ever fought more than 3 Berzerk users from 1000 to 1400(I tend to go up and down a lot in between).

But to be honest, Berzerk are actually pretty usable with what they have now. Melanie, Lola, Elvis and Kawamashi as a replacement for Spyke make for a strong half-deck although lacking in damage without their bonus, this can easily be covered by using 5:3 splits or with a damage-aggressive half to compliment them, such as the Uppers.

With that said, I'm actually looking forward to Berzerk having the following:
Attack manipulation with decent damage. (Rico/Akendram duplicate), although Kawamashi is already very good.
Anti-SOB (7/5 SoB or 8/5 Protection: Bonus for 4*)
Better conditional 2* (Perhaps something like 8/1 Revenge: +2 life)
Finally, a weak nuke! (Loma Noju duplicate?)

Too much to ask for, I know, just letting my thoughts flow ]]>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:19:12 GMTBerzerk bonus doesn't become useless after you hit once, so Bogdan and Magda combined will do about 11 damage in ELO (due to min. 3), and so will Elvis and Miho (up till min. 2).

Depending on the other cards the amount will vary but it's not a big difference (esp. since Berzerk min. is better than Freaks' min).]]>Sat, 19 May 2012 06:22:43 GMT
Bogdan, turn 1: up to 10 damage
turn 2: up to 8 damage
turn 3: the same damage as Elvis...

Magda, turn 1: up to 9 damage
turn 2: up to 7 damage
turn 3: the same damage as Miho...]]>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:32:16 GMTElvis and Miho are so like Bogdan and Magda...apart from the fact they dont rely on getting in their damage first round :/

Tbh Ranesh is an awesome card and replaces Spyke in my decks!!! I don't know why, cause i was so skeptical about him, but a 6/8 with attk is scary!! Many times Ive won games solely due to him

What Berzerk need is a strong attack manip 5* that doesn't rely on overpilling to win its rounds!!!]]>Fri, 18 May 2012 19:58:18 GMTElvis and Miho have the base stats of Bogdan and Magda, who both have the potential to inflict a whole lot more damage, and will almost never inflict less (unless you're walling with them, and in that case, it doesn't really matter.)

Lots of Berzerk cards seem like slightly inferior versions of existing cards. Yeah, they're not terrible, but I see Freaks, Jungo, AND FPC as stronger gap bonus clans... Frozn is shaping up to be a superior gap bonus clan, as well.]]>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:05:02 GMT
Elvis is good.
Revok is just okay. Sure, he can gap hard, but his ability kicks in only when you lose with him. His usefulness as a fork is limited because of average power and min on Berzerk's bonus.
Uma is an awkward card. A lot of 3*s gap like her but aren't Revenge-dependant. Cutey, Nyema, Kostner, Zhu Tang, any good 3* poison, etc..
Taylor is NOT a round-winner. If he was, all of Nightmare and Piranas are round-winners and we should play no other clans.
Same with Jeffrey...
Kawamashi has worse stats than Rodney, and a min that can keep him from scoring his full 5 damage.
Elvis and Melanie have a solid 8 power, but I would rather take a good power reducer or a good attack manip card over 8 power any day. Until you use 7 pills with an 8-powered card, a 7 pilled card only has to pill 1 higher to beat it. They are both outstanding cards, but not top-notch round winners.
Cortez is good.
Bernie is useless against SoB.

Berzerk can do fine in ELO, because any clan can. Someone posted on these boards about getting I think 1511 with mono La Junta. A good player can run anything into at least 1350s, but... Berzerk need something that sets them apart from the other clans and makes players interested in trying them. They only have a few outstanding cards: Melanie, Lola, Elvis, Spyke, and Cortez. Most clans have more... Even brand-new Frozn have 6 outstanding cards.]]>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:49:20 GMT
emm Cortez, Elvis, Lola, Melanie... Tiwi Ld, Titsouk, Niqiloda, Annuqa? and yeah as mentioned Lola is the only one so why worry about the synergy outside half deck

Spyke replacement: ^what he said... most of us use Elvis/Revok or drop the second 4* and run Taylor/Cortez/Elvis and drop a 3* to an extra 2* ( since with the arrival of Bernie we have quite a few strong cards there )

round winners: unless Miho runs into SOA or you're in type 2 vs caelus etc... not a problem like he said. zerks have strong power plus either attack manip or a strong abil like sob or soa etc

and yeah.. strong mono and half]]>