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]]>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:24:32 GMT Their is one Stop: card that is hurt by CoA: Mini Mund
(I know, the devil is in the details)]]>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:14:55 GMTHarvey: It's just not happening. Harvey will be used on a Courage turn.
Vs Owen: Not sure if it's fair to call him a staple, but copying his ability would be nice. Although Owen beats this theoretical 8-power Zerk pill-for-pill up to 7 pills, so it's still pretty hard to secure that extra damage, even if you match these cards up.
Vs Sammy: This matchup looks great. But again, your opponent will recognize it as a liability and try to play around your CoA card.

Sentinel and Berzerk were clans picked completely at random. If you think about any other two clans in this scenario, you will get similar results. Now, 8/5 on a Berzerk are great base stats, and you can argue that even though the ability wouldn't activate in a useful way very often, it's still a great card... But the difference between "CoA" and "No Ability" here is pretty minor, as you can see. Giving your opponent a chance to control which ability you gain hurts, not having stats specifically built to accommodate your ability hurts, SoA hurts, copying DR or a defeat ability will almost always be useless, etc.]]>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:51:47 GMT
Let's, as an experiment, say that Berzerk gets a POWERFUL 8/5 * CoA!
Now let's say you are fighting a decent Sentinel hand -- Melvin, Flinch, Havok, and Jackson.
Vs Melvin, Flinch, and Jackson your ability is an obvious dud, and your opponent would have to be a moron to let you match up Havok with your CoA card.

"But Ghelas," you say, "you are being too selective with these cards. Sent has a lot of cards with better abilities!"
Okay. Let's take a look at some other potential staples that your opponent could draw.

Vs Coby: Looks good on paper, right? Buuuut it's not: All Coby has to do is be the attacker and he has a 2-pill advantage. Good luck trying to get that extra damage!
Vs Martha: Now we're talking! Assuming you're mono you get a nice attack boost, right? ...Except it doesn't matter -- if Martha was played against this guy, she was played as a "throw away card," a pill forcer. The advantage is made irrelevant by the fact that Martha is not trying to win her round.
Vs John: This actually looks good, no complaints here. A +3 power difference gives you a nice edge (again though, only assuming Mono.)
Vs Tobie: It does nothing.]]>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:22:06 GMT
'oh the oracle what are you thinking against something like Copper thats op blahblahblah'

NO. if you think about it, CoA is honestly just like SoA, but the 'offensive' version. referring to original post:

facing against Copper, SoA acts as -5 power oh SoA is op?
facing against Nobrodroid SoA acts as defeat:-4 pillz min. 0, so SoA is op?
facing against Avola (and anything damage related) SoA would be the defensive route, and CoA is the offensive. from this, you can see that CoA is not actually op. but it is however true that CoA and SoA would make perfect partners.

I have to say though that CoA is actually a bit more powerful than SoA, in some situations. for instance:

stop: abilities, no penalties for CoA
Skeelz: goes RIGHT through Skeelz, VERY annoying...

i see people are worried about 1h game enders/1hko but as @ghelas (the wise man) said it is VERY EASY TO PLAY AROUND. just use your noodile on the first turn, and you will be fine =.=

sentinels have been lacking a good SoA card for a long time (elo)

so 6/7 CoA 5* not especially op ]]>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:51:53 GMTSun, 13 Jan 2013 00:34:41 GMTSat, 12 Jan 2013 20:33:42 GMTKolos or Spyke when you play the COA card first?

I think a 6/5 5* with COA could be balanced when put in a weak clan.]]>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:01:07 GMTTue, 31 Jul 2012 03:01:59 GMTELO curve

ie: Giving it to Sentinel, Rescue or GHEIST would be a joke but Skeelz, Pussycats or La Junta maybe it'd be a welcome aid

@Ghelas, unfortunately I agree with Subclavian here...OP cards are ones that force the entire meta to shift around those cards...take a look at this week...its either Berzerk...counters to Berzerk (Roots and All Stars)....or Mono Rescue/Sentinel
There is literally no point in using the other clans which makes ELO life pretty boring.

Trust me after running into Cliff or Spyke for the forty thousandth time you'd be wishing that maybe, just maybe Fang PI or Skeelz will be your next opponent and throw some variety around

However Subclavian I don't agree that banning those big blockers allowed for OP cards to run loose...even with those cards all it'd do is turn the meta back to Mono Piranas and Mono Roots...I mean do we really want that again?

After thinking on it, I don't think any amount of bans will properly stop a certain clans domination....by banning more Rescue will that mean heavy damage clans take centre spotlight? If we ban Sentinel then what will help counter SOB clans and Uppers?

Anyway aside from my rant about ELO....COA would be cool to be implemented....but would have to be thought out carefully with clan selection and the stats of the card to not make it UP or]]>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:40:16 GMTSkeelz card because of the protection and i think that swap opp power and damage would be quite good especially on Ward hg....lolnage]]>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:51 GMT
Also earlier people were talking about a Sentinel with 8/4 + COA. I don't think that will ever happen, although I really must say with the release of Andy Ld, I was extremely pleased to see another card with the best 3 star base stats of 8/4 and Andy Ld was also given a pretty nice ability to boot.

If only we could get a 3 star, All star with 8/4 and any ability but backlash.

Anyone else feel slightly empty playing All Stars now that Robb left our ranks and became Robb Cr?]]>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:51:32 GMT
Yes, I see what you're saying. The meta changed quite a bit the last two weeks as a result of Kalindra, with more Nightmare, Roots and Frozn than ever before. It is certainly a breath of fresh air from the constant drub of mono-sentinels and montanas that's been dominating the lower portions of elo in recent months, so I guess it is an innovation of sorts. And there are those who argue that any change that upsets the status quo is a good change.

However I feel you shouldn't have to wake up each monday morning wondering whether Kalindra is banned this week, and figure out what deck you're supposed to run as a result of her banning/unbanning. A player shouldn't be forced away from playing a particular clan just because they don't offer a good counter to Kalindra. For me, any single card shouldn't exert that much influence. I agree that back in the day caelus was more overpowered than Kalindra, but right now in the current environment she is still considered overpowered.

Of course, the blame shouldn't be placed solely on Kalindra. Imho the UR staff also kinda screwed up when they banned three of elo's best stoppers (Arno, Ulrich and Yayoi) in one fell swoop. These cards served the important purpose of stabilizing elo and preventing overpowered cards from upsetting the game. Sure, we still have Yookie and Artus and Uranus, but the less (good) stoppers we have, the more likelihood that even a slightly overpowered card could wreak Havok in elo.]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:40:15 GMT
I do see your point of view, but what do you define as a Kalindra counter (or a Spyke counter, for that matter?) SoB? SoA? DR? Can you show me any good ELO deck that doesn't employ at least some of these elements?

Consider this point of view. When something like Kalindra comes out, people often build their decks a bit differently, but a good ELO deck still needs to hold up against the usual suspects (high attack manip clans/SoA clans.) These are effective decks that might actually never have been built without the need to take Kalindra into consideration.

They say that necessity is the mother of invention. I think these cards inspire innovative decks, rather than stifling them.
New releases will always change the meta. Without this, the game wouldn't move forward.

To me, an OP card is something that 1) Doesn't have many counters or is 2) Only counterable by.a very specific play style. Caelus Cr is a good example of an OP card that earned his ban. He causes most cards to have 2 power to his 4, which means at high pills he more than makes up for attack manipulation. He swings for 8. Well, at least we can stop his ability, right? Nope, he's in Skeelz! Other than DR, you could run some All Stars against him. SoB and SoA don't slow him down at all. Maybe you could beat him easily if you draw 2 Protection: Power cards?
Long story short, it's definitely impossible to build a *well-rounded* non - All Star deck that defends against Dumbledore Cr as well.]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:41:33 GMT I think we are in agreement, there are strong abilities and there are weak abilities, but it's the card itself that matters

@ghelas:
I think we have different definitions of what constitutes an overpowered card. For me, an OP card isn't one that is uncounterable and undefeatable, but a card that skews the game so much that all you see in the meta are decks that use it and decks that counter it. For example, you can't get a free 1400+ by using Kalindra because 90% of the opponents you meet are either stacked with Kalindra counters or they're using her too. But still, an elo meta dominated by Kalindra and counter-Kalindra stifles innovative decks and clan variety, which is imho bad in the long run.]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:50:11 GMT If something is OP, it should really give an advantage to the player using it, right?

Everybody complains about Spyke and Kalindra, but the truth is they just don't like fighting them. Totally understandable. But if they were really majorly OP, it would be easy to see them distorting ELO scores. But that's not true. You can't just put those cards in your deck and expect a free 1400+. Any time you feel like talking about how OP a card is, I challenge you to put it in your ELO deck and try beat your best ELO score with it. If you can't, hey, maybe it's not as bad as you thought.

UR is moving in a direction where there are much more strong cards than weak ones, which is IMO good for game balance. It means that instead of guessing, or randomly pilling your big attack manip clan, you really have to build a great deck and form a great strategy if you want to succeed.

TBH Kalindra has the same problems as the 7/5 LPD cards, and once people figure that out, they will stop complaining so much. And Spyke's problem is only that he is too strong for his star count, not that he is too strong for the game. If he was a 5*, nobody would complain about him at all.]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 05:07:07 GMT just do not search for 8power and 7-8dmg card and you will lol on it
lol]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:22:58 GMT http://urban-rivals.me/characters?minlevel=5&maxlevel=5&minpower=8&maxpower=8&mindamage=6&maxdamage=6&maxed=on

let see what we got in our current card pool with 8/6?
most of them are in the clan like +2dmg/hp/poison which is not helping them to win the battle
or have very weak ability protection XXX... revenge
or banned/cr lol]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:10:39 GMT Yesterday at 17:19

Other -4 opp power min 4 cards:

Tobbie
C Beast
Tula

They're pretty good, but by no means overpowered. The ability itself is okay if you put it on the right cards

we have some agreement may be but i am not totally agree with you
for my point of view
most of the card can may calculate like here
4/4 2*
5/5 3*
6/6 4*
7/7 5*
and ability is around +-2power/+-8~10atk/+-2Dmg
and some clan have a little better ability
u will find most card can fit in it

Tobbie is the 2nd best 2* in sent and he is very strong making 8power down to 4 with his bonus means u need two more pills (and if u 3*or above u need to 3 more pills) to win him

C Beast as u see 5+8=13 as the standard should be 7+7=14 therefore 1 pt less against thestandard
but he got -4power so is 2 pt more than the standard
end up with 1pt more than the standard 1pt is not op just not bad
and u have to consider the other 5* cards in the same clan
Oflgn is just a beast 7/5 with +1life/dmg this 7/10 fury=7/14
Dregn 1 of the best 5* in elo 8 power and 8 dmg

Tula have the same statment as C Beast end up with 1pt more than the standard 1pt is not op just not bad

and these 3 above have a common problem power too low
but skype do not

therefore if you want to put a -4power on some1 else
u have to put on the card under standard
but not on a standard card

some of the abilty is better than the other one]]>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:03:56 GMTKalindra ability to +1 life per damage (instead of +1 pillz per damage)

Sah Brinak could be a good example of UR keep giving OP cards.

Kalindra is evidence of how + life become OP (usually what you get is 7/5 +1 life per damage, but now you get 10/6 +1 life per damage)

yeah, 8/6 CoA and SOB, I can see how crazy it would be. there is almost no reason to be afraid of any card since it has 8 power and SOB
then he will copy opp ability. in almost all cases, he would be better or as good as his opp]]>