Personnaly i dont have alot of Clintz. This means that i genrally have to play Elo to survive, because i cant win against High-powered elo banned cards, and cant afford them to use for myself.
My main problem now though is piranas. I personnaly liked playing attack manipulating decks such as Uppers and All Stars because i could get a strong deck for only 8000 clints or less. But now it seems like half of the people i play have pirana decks! Their ability is devastating! Imo it destroys Montana, Uppers most All Star, Sakrohm, Bangers and Ulu-Watu and Rescue. Junks and Sentinel are hindered drastically too! No healing for Jungo, no poisen for Freaks! Fang Pi Clang and La Junta can say goodbye to their damage bonus. Roots and GHIEST loose there stop ability and Vortex and Pussy Cats have no bonus to fall back on when they die.
THATS ALL THE CLANS?!?!
This would be understandable if Piranas characters wernt so powerful themselves, and sure they have very few 8 power BUT!!! They have pill manipulation!! Pill manipulation is a super-strong but risky form of attack manipulation. Hawkins Noel (2 star) 7 power with +2 pillz, provided you win is like +14 attack?!! And Scrubb in a mono deck is like +24 attack?!?!?!??!?!?!?
DOES THIS CLAN HAVE ANY WEAKNESS? If they do please let me know, if someone can suggest a deck to counter them for under 10k clintz I would be very gratefull. Thanks for reading
Piranas can be difficult to beat in ELO I agree 100%.....In any other game type though Skeelz will crush them hands down just an example in T2 and I have done this myself plenty of times in Deathmatch and DT's........Play Eloxia with 0 pills......then pill out jay with a revenge for the win. It is extremely cheap but it works. *Unfortunately* for you Jay is expensive. I use this preset in ELO and do quite well.
you can sub Bogdan for Splata and take out Magda and put a cheap 3* in there.
The bottom line is this.....I personally feel Piranas are extremely predictable and for the most part will not have a problem with them. I do agree with Moe who posted earlier. Nightmare is a much harder clan to predict and therefore will present you with the most trouble. However, with the LD missions you will not run into as many Nightmare over Piranas. I feel like any budget deck can beat them it is just solely on you to practice and play to get the pill situations right.
Ector sadly doesn't fit with the rest of the clan. Piranas don't need an Oxen: they already have pill manipulators like Dalhia, all of whom should be played early. Ector is a non- pill manipulator who can't knock out. I had high hopes for him too but he doesn't bring anything useful to the table.
Raeth is worse than Sting by a wide margin. Would you rather have +3 power or - 8 attack? Raeth's extra damage is negated if your opponent plays a damage reducer. If you play 2 4* characters, it'd be Scubb and Sting. There's really no room for him on the ship.
Taljion was ok before Puff but now that there's Puff, he's sitting behind Ulrich and Tyd at least. It's really bad to put pills on a 6 power who isn't Scubb.
Trey is really for experts but if you catch your opponent exactly right you win the match.
Trey wtih 9 pills = 50 power, beats 8 power with 5 pills (48 power), and you come out even in pills. Any less and you start coming out way ahead.
Plus his best match up is against hi minimum power reducers. His is always advantaged in those match ups.
+4 pills is plain nuts on a 2*.
@Kitsune - I'm going to take these one by one.
Ector - so his potential 6 damage in a clan where most cards do 4 or less is not useful? Pill manipulation is useful, but only to an extent. Sooner or later your opponent will make a good call against you and your poor Hawkins and Bonnie Ld will not be able to help you out.
Raeth - I would rather have a character that I could play during any round instead of only half. Raeth has 1 more damage which could make a huge difference for them because as I mentioned earlier, Piranas have awful damage. Raeth is a better bluff, a scarier card and more effective in ELO.
Taljion - he is great in mono because of his solid attack manipulation. I personally use Taljion over Ulrich and Tyd. He is great for calling bluffs and can make a decent dent in your opponent's life in the process.
Trey sucks. I cannot believe you are making this argument for him. It is so easy to beat him and if you are playing aggressively with Trey, it is incredibly dangerous. You can't bluff with Trey if your opponent has an SOA because they will throw it out will and let you waste pills to get your 1 damage in. He gets dominated by attack and power manipulation (Blaaster destroys him, even without his bonus for example). Plus, what if I lead and throw out maybe my Esmeralda? You have to use at least 3 pills to make sure you beat her with 0 and any past that is a huge risk on your part.
@KitsuneKatsumi: There are a lot of statements in your post that pretty much shout the message "Please ignore my post".
I'll pay attention to you nonetheless:
"Ector sadly doesn't fit with the rest of the clan. Piranas don't need an Oxen": He fits perfectly. Have you looked at the damage that the staple 2-4* Piranas do ? Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't make that statement.
Also, since when is hitting through Uranus with 5 damage a bad thing ?
"they already have pill manipulators like Dalhia, all of whom should be played early": Dahlia and Hawkins are actually quite strong in rounds 3 and 4
"Raeth is worse than Sting by a wide margin.": No, no and no. Raeth is currently clearly the best 4* in Piranas. Sting has her uses over Scubb depending on play style and deck, but if you can only pick one Pirana 4*, it's definitely Raeth.
"Taljion was ok before Puff but now that there's Puff, he's sitting behind Ulrich and Tyd": First of all, Puff is a 2* and Taljion is a 3*, so a comparison is flawed to begin with. Secondly, they both interact very well together. Now for the real comparison: Tyd, Ulrich, Taljion or Ector. They are all very viable 3* choices and who to pick depends solely in personal preference and play style. Taljion drains pillz and wins low pill battles, Tyd is for high pill battles, Ector for damage and Ulrich for DR.
"+4 pills is plain nuts on a 2*": It would be, if we weren't talking about a 5/1 card that can't win any battles. Invitation to nuke your head for cheap. Hawkins, Puff, Tula and Bonnie Ld all are so much better suited for the 2* slots. Heck, even Spycee has better uses than Trey.
To make a comparison: Boohma from Jungo is a weak spot and more often than not the cause of a loss. And Boohma is far superior to Trey because of way higher damage and you don't have to pay the pillz beforehand.
I didn't claim Ector and Taljion are terrible cards, merely that they are not competitive, that they don't belong in a top competitive deck. You'll get hands where Ector is akward and hands where you would need to pill Taljion and you lose because he only has 6 power. You are arguing that they are sometimes useful, which is great. But if you want the best deck you want to avoid characters that often cause you a game loss.
Talk about 3*, I am saying:
Ulrich > Tyd > Taljion > Ector
and you are saying Ulrich = Tyd = Taljion = Ector which is a dumb statement.
Ulrich is irreplacable. Tyd has some worse match ups and sometimes he's the worst character in a hand but he's never in a situation where he can't be played optimally, like Ector, and never a situation where you feel it's a waste to pill him, like Taljion.
Easiest example - what happens if you draw both Dalhia and Ector?
For 4* you rate Scubb lower than either Raeth or Sting... I can't even begin to point out that logic. Why would Piranas play Raeth, who is equal or subpar compared to similar characters in other non- Tier 1 clans (Petra who isn't even played in most Sak, Edd) except EVERY Pirana has SOB?
If you underestimate Trey you are not an expert Pirana player. Trey's usefulness fluctuates depending on how much pill manipulation you have but in some presets he performs better than Tula. Puff, Bonnie and Hawkins are the best 3 but No. 4 is contested.
Lets talk about Puff. Puff in himself is a BIG risk, all stops ruin him, 2dmg when there is 15 life just feeds the poison. His only use is for high pill battles as he fails in lowpill battles vs +attack. So you have to risk alot of pills to block someone for 2 dmg. Not the kind of deal i ever want to do. I cant say puff made me win a single battle.
"You'll get hands where Ector is akward and hands where you would need to pill Taljion and you lose because he only has 6 power. But if you want the best deck you want to avoid characters that often cause you a game loss."
So you mean cards like Ulrich with 5 power and no manipulation? You're also talking about Taljion like 6 power is bad. Tell me how 6 power AND attack manipulation is bad. If you have a hand with Dahlia, Hawkins, Taljion and Tula, is your opponent really going to use their SOA on him? Probably not. The fact is, he beats most cards in low pill fights.
I'm not sure who you were accusing of saying that Ulrich = Tyd = Taljion = Ector, but neither of us did. I will tell you that illiteracy is a common issue, so at least you are not alone.
What if i draw Dalhia and Ector? I win with Dahlia, bringing my opponent to 10 life (assuming you're talking about ELO), then deal 6 more with Ector. How is that difficult for you to comprehend?
I never mentioned anything about Scubb, but Petra is a popular Sakrohm card and is commonly seen in ELO (at least during Sakrohm weeks). ibtd can explain what he meant, but it looks like another case of you misinterpreting a comment... I'm seeing a trend here.
Finally, I am not an "expert" Piranas player, but I am not a foolish one either. Trey has 1 damage and 5 power. That makes him useless for ELO. Try making a competitive ELO deck with him and then come back and say he is one of the reasons you could break 1315 ELO.