There had been a lot of rumors as to why there were no staff banned cards in the last elo tournament and the most intriguing rumor is that the staff will change the perma ban list. i was thrilled by this but seeing the current format, there hadn't been any change. this made me quite pissed since a change in the perma ban list would help reduce the number of cards that i consider perma ban material that are wasting player votes and it will also give the clans that are, nowadays rarely used in elo, a chance to be better.
here are my proposed cards that should move on the perma ban list: rowdy, wee lee removed, toro and spyke add, ghumbo and lou could move or stay (not quite sure of these two). i'm looking to argue and not to have a pointless bashing with someone.
What you guys don't realise is that when players are playing the same amount of pillz the +/- doesn't actually mean anything (and also when the power is the same, only in rare cases such as Randy being better than Robb Cr against Gibson since you need +1 compared to +2). And in ELO, you always aim to play the exact amount of pillz, and since attack manipulation is so popular they are as useful as each other...
The only other time when it really makes a difference is when coupling power manipulation with attack manipulation, it makes cards like Mona that much more effective than a card like Oscar...
@0 Andyman you said:Actually, while Lou and Toro was unbanned and Wee Lee was still perma banned, Ulu Watu was one of the most commonly played clans in ELO. They were a great solid choice that provided a great counter to Roots/GHEIST seen in 70% oh hands. Now the meta has changed and AS and GHEIST are the most popular, and ELO is much harder to build counter decks now with so much anti SOA introduced. Wee Lee is not needed to be unbanned.
so you'd rather use ulu watu when lou and toro is unbanned? when AS has Marina which is close and might be better to ulu watu's PERMA banned wee lee? AS will do much better because of toro's power reduction, and they're not even crippled by lou's attack manip. maybe lots of mor@#s played then. AS is much better then until now because of solid cards. with the current meta, Ulu Watu needs Wee Lee or a solid 3 or 2 star besides nanook and taigo.
Is this guy serious? (please tell me)
Solid 3* is what Ulu Watu has, its their 4* and 2* that are lacking
Numar= crap vs SOA and a hefty ridic price tag that he doesn't deserve
Taigo and Gabrielee are OK, but compared to other clans 2* they aren't good
edited by W M Daexen thursday 24/11/2011, 11:01
Cards that need to be banned - Hawkins or Raeth or Scubb, Robb CR and Marina, Ghumbo, Spyke, Bogdan or Olga, Blastaar, Toro and Draheea, Elvira and Sledg,
Cards that can be unbanned - Lou.
Honestly this would make ELO a bit more diverse
@scUMgabz - Hero - URBAN MADNESS
when you see SOA in over half your matches, nanook, numar, janice and stanly are choices of ulu watu that would stand much better against cards like toro and lou rather than cards like striker, randy and robb.
Why do so many people want lou unbanned, i understand Ratanah but not lou. With her + 1 or 2 dr's in your hand is probably one of the strongest decks you could get. I know compared with Xu52 she shouldnt be banned, but like many have said its her clan that makes her too powerful in elo.
I agree with Wats_happenin, ulu watu seems to be getting some really bad 2 stars, with Reef and Ulawele. Then they finally get a rare, and it turns out to be ANOTHER really strong 5 star. Something ulu watu doesnt need more of. I know strong high star cards are there *theme* but it would be nice to get a 2 star which can compete with current times. Un-banning wee lee would relieve them a little, and negate the cause of making a new solid 4 star. But yeah, please un-ban wee lee
I just don't see how Ghumbo is OP enough to be banned. Karrion was an 'OK' addition to NM but they still lack a good 5*. Karrion basically needs to be played in the first 2 rounds, 3rd round at the latest and he has nothing to help him win. Ghumbo is helpful, but not the be all end all.
You can DR him, SOA him, SOB him.
Edd beats him, Gibson after 1 pill, Lehane after 1 pill. He has to pill to get above his min, to lower attack manip can call bluffs. I think Lou is more OP than Ghumbo once taking clans into account. NM has basically 1 usable DR? Roots has 3?
@DareSurfMeHOA huwhaaat? i said besides nanook. do you think gaia and felicia is good? gimme a break. rico>>gaia and Nanook is better starting from 3 pillz, flanagan(2*)>>felicia. 7/3 SoB doesn't cut it nowadays, just look at her price a good uncommon 3 star will have a much better price. George? Pan just made him a joke. Janice? i agree, but ONLY on SoA weeks.
so let me say it to you wats_happenin only nanook and taigo and nanook cut it in the 3* and 2* department. gabrielle may cut it but c'mon you'd rather have a dr from other clans preferably attack manip 'cause no power manip clans can stand alone these days.
you heard it, most wanna see Wee Lee along with the hot girls in ELO, tired of seeing old hags roaming around.
It seems that this thread has become a support group to unban Wee Lee. Legit, but the question is how about the other clans?
Roots - Let's start with the clan that needs a major revamp. UR owes this clan bigtime, by banning Lou and creating so-so cards that can't be used in ELO. Why not unban Ratanah, if most of us think Lou is too overpowered for her clan.
Freaks - Oh why? Temporary banning staple cards from this clan hurts them a lot. So the idea of perma banning Olga and Bogdan is ridiculous.
Ulu Watu - I rarely see this clan in ELO. It's time for them to make a comeback. UR should stop releasing 5* and 4* for Ulu, if they want to see this clan in ELO more often. A stable 2* or 3* would do the trick.
Pussycats - Banning not-fully evolved characters made this clan suck just for a while. It took some time for players to play this clan the hard way. I think UR is in the right direction, by unbanning Charlie.
La Junta and Fang Pi Clang. These clans were once a threat in ELO for their ability to do 2HKO in any combo. But the addition of 2 extra life in this mode made these clans suffer. I have no idea what to do to these clans.
Vortex and Berzerk. IMHO these clans needs some serious perma banning.