There had been a lot of rumors as to why there were no staff banned cards in the last elo tournament and the most intriguing rumor is that the staff will change the perma ban list. i was thrilled by this but seeing the current format, there hadn't been any change. this made me quite pissed since a change in the perma ban list would help reduce the number of cards that i consider perma ban material that are wasting player votes and it will also give the clans that are, nowadays rarely used in elo, a chance to be better.
here are my proposed cards that should move on the perma ban list: rowdy, wee lee removed, toro and spyke add, ghumbo and lou could move or stay (not quite sure of these two). i'm looking to argue and not to have a pointless bashing with someone.
I honestly do not see the problem with spyke. the berzerk got a decent card, great. doesn't mean that he has to be banned...take last week. with ghumbo and toro and leviatonn out, hardly anyone played spyke. he's not a super amazing godly unbeatable type card, and i don't see myself at any kind of disadvantage when not using him...between protection power, soa, and better power manipulators, sometimes spyke puts me at the advantage when my opponent has him. and lola and elvis shouldn't get banned either. they're just staples, not overpowered in any way. they get berzerk playing time.
why does cyb lhia need a perma ban? vortex are underplayed as is. simply banning dagg kills them, and perma banning cyb lhia would just hurt. cyb lhia isn't even the type of card that gets banned off and on.
and why do so many people get so mad when people say "virtual" power. does it really matter? if i'm going to say robb cr, i'm not going to take the time to say robb cr, that card with 5 power who can bring his opponent down 5 to a minimum of 2! which is better than having 10 power! well obviously it's better than having 10 power, but really its just sufficient enough to say he has "virtual" 10 power. it's not 10 power at all, i know. but if he goes against, say loccio, he ties. it's just inconvenient to say elsewise, and everyone knows what it means when someone says robb cr has a "virtual 10 power". we know that he'll beat an unsupported 7 power all in 12 pillz w/5, no need to explain.
Spyke doesn't deserve any ban? Are you kidding? He's virtually, as you say, 11 powered with 5 to 7(with bonus) damage. Plus he's a 4* and he beats a whole lot of cards including 5*s. Way too overpowered. Yes SOA hurts him but his 7 power is still fine. For a 4* he has a decent base power and damage even w/o ability and bonus.
Spyke is one of the best power manips around? Only something like Tula can evenly match him. Even cards like Magda, Trish for example has problems against him.
Otherwise, the only Protection: Power cards I can think of now are Reef, Fixit, Melanie and Mantis. Sak and Ulu Watu aren't seen very much in ELO. Not too sure about Fixit since he's 5*. And Melanie is from Berzerk, so......
SOA pretty much kills everything that isn't a Stop, Backlash or Skeelz.
I can agree that Vortex is underused, but I think that Vortex is underused because their best 5* Dregn is ridiculously expensive and there isn't really much except Oflgn to replace him. The 2* department is more than filled though.
Banning Cyb Lhia is reasonable to me because she's one of the best guessing cards. If you fail to poison with her, you get your pillz back. If you succeed, well, its 1 + 6posion damage on the first turn for a 2*. Oh yea, and having 8 power doesn't hurt her. Its the kind of card that screams AUTOINCLUDE for any Vortex deck which plans to run a 2*. Yes, its strong and I would even go as far to say that any mono-Vortex deck must have Cyb Lhia because she is that good.
However, permabanning her won't kill off Vortex. It just pulls them back in line (which is the purpose of banning). Its not like banning Dagg for example, since there are 2*s to replace Cyb Lhia like Neloe, Fhtagn Ld and C Wing.
Dagg is irreplacable and banning him would just kill off Vortex though.
"Ulu Watu - I rarely see this clan in ELO. It's time for them to make a comeback. UR should stop releasing 5* and 4* for Ulu, if they want to see this clan in ELO more often. A stable 2* or 3* would do the trick."
If we got a stable 2*/3* all you pansies complaining about cyb Lhia and spyke being OP would complain about ulu watu and then the new ulu card would be banned. You are all too ban happy.... Too many bans ruins the game IMO... The most fun times in ELO for me were when cards like slyth, caelus cr rowdy and gil were all unbanned. They were always fun cards to play with. But a bunch of players got together, and put those cards away for good.
I agree with Cyb Lhia, there's a bunch of cards that could replace her. Banning Dagg really kills Vortex even in half decks.
You're outrageous!!! Let me ask you this question, why are there still people playing in ELO despite the banning system? huh? I think it's not because they're too ban happy. Banning makes the game more fun and exciting. ELO is really unpredictable, there are a lot of possibilities. Creating a 1400+ deck this week wouldn't ensure you that that deck would do the same the next weeks to come. It's either they ban your cards or counter cards are unbanned that kills your deck.
IMHO, ELO is for the courageous and those who doesn't fear change. It's really unpredictable, so you need tons of guts to create a great deck despite the banning. So if you want the comforts of playing with the "fun cards" that you are talking then move on, play in Fight Types or other rooms but not in ELO.
I hope you'll get my point.
Its about time they split ELO into new school & old school. New school ELO has a massive ban list (probably perm Robb and co as well as the broken Kolos and co), old school ELO would just have a few OP bans (e.g. just Kolos and the like). That way they can free up some of the broken (so what am I going to do with my gil now) while not handicapping the newer players.
It is probably a good idea to split the rewards as well (e.g. 1300 in either would get you 5 credits, 10 credits if you get 1300 in both etc)
You do realize ELO is a placement system where you are matched among players that you are categorized with in attempt to rise in the ranks for honor and glory, right? Some other games have seasons for ELO where your ELO isn't reset until the end of the year. Throughout seasons in those games, minor tweaks, buffs or nerfs, are made to the liking of the player base.
So yes, change is needed in ELO, but it doesn't need to be a ban list of 50 cards.
Another thing, someone please give me another reason why cyb Lhia, a card who is never even temporarily banned should be banned. Wow, that 7 damage with a min, 4 over 4 turns is a lot eh? We should ban harleen and esmerelda too, they do OVER 7 damage. And their poison is their bonus too! SOA is more common than SOB. Is the reason cyb Lhia has is OP because of her bonus? You may aswell ban the rest of the vortex who, if the vortex card wins, they deal some damage, if they lose, they get their pillz back. Looks like we have a dilemma every time we play vortex eh?
Finally, have you noticed how two people have mentioned all stars are *maybe* OP? Congratz to trippie and subclAvian. My guess is that you are all AS players in ELO because none of you seem to point out the OP cards In AS.
FEAR, when you talk about change needing to happen, why haven't you brought up AS? AS has been one of the top clans in ELO for the past year.
Sorry for the novel if you are reading this.
your contradicting yourself.
if All Stars has been one of the top clans in ELO. then by your argument All Stars will naturally be dethroned from being top since players keeps banning who they think is in top..
for the record, top clans are still those who receive heavy bans. that's it.
and earlier in this post. Are you suggesting UR must unban Caelus Cr? yeah.. right...
@DashingWhatever... "banning makes the game more boring. It why I rarely play UR now." = LOL
banning cards? = stop playing UR? = LOL.
banning doesn't make the game boring. banning simply bans card. disabling certain clans. giving way to others.
the stupid thing is the aggregation of bans on certain clan. Completely destroying it failing the word "balance".
Berzerk here is the perfect victim.