ELO: Votes and restrictions

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Euzebe Imperator The Saiyans Tuesday 08/09/2009, 10:14

We've already told you that we were going to see how things would be going with the secret voting system about possible changes in ELO mode. And that's exactly what we’ve done.

Firstly, we’ve decided to leave the voting system as it is. It works well and should work even better in the future with characters banned thanks to votes.

We've checked voting results and the most frequently played characters in ELO stats.
We've decided to permanently ban 5 characters: Kolos, Marco, Zatman, Hawk and Ratanah.

Kolos is permanently banned because it was obvious that you did not want him in ELO any more. He’s been banned nearly every weeks since the voting system release and we thought it was pointless to keep on using your votes against him.

Marco, Zatman, Hawk and Ratanah have also been frequently banned by your votes so we thought that these permanent bans would offer a fairer game.
Admittedly Ratanah was banned less often than Shakra but we calculated that her ban would greatly help in reducing the Roots' dominance while still making them playable. Whereas Shakra’s ban would have left the Roots with very strong chances of building powerful half-decks for a reasonable amount of stars.

We didn’t want to ban any All Stars or Piranas (Smokey or Striker, for example) even if they were concentrating a large part of votes. We figured out you would be more free to vote and decide by yourselves which characters need to be remove from ELO.

Have fun !

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Kate Urban Rivals Staff Thursday 29/04/2010, 00:18

They won't ban lost hog because the opp can prolly use any normal amount of pillz N still beat lost hog, not making it look like they were going to stop him.

Kinjo? SOA or SOB N you're good

Lao cr? Come on, what a weakling

If someone has an 11 damage card with a timber, it's quite obvious what they're going to do, unless they have like sung tsu, ryuichi, kolos N timber then

Flavio cr... you're going too far with this. He's WAY too weak to do anything

Dacote? Still too far... fail
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ibtd Imperator Die Frettchen Thursday 29/04/2010, 00:44

Oh yeah, I apologize, I should've pointed out the obvious for everything. My bad...

Wee Lee: comparing him to Marina isn't gonna work here dude. Yes, they have similar stats, at level 4. But have you looked at their stats at lower star count ? You should. There lies the single most important reason why Wee Lee is ELO banned. Marina is a 4* only card while Wee Lee can be used at every level down to level 1. Another reason why you shouldn't compare Wee Lee and Marina is their 4* damage. Marina has a rough time to find solid ELO playable cards who she can 2hko with. While Wee Lee 4* has more than enough cards to combo with. There simply is no real comparison between Wee Lee and Marina. Also, Marina is NOT a 9/5 card, she still has only 7 power, with -2 opp power, which is a noticeable difference, especially in 0-2 pill battles against attack manipulation.

Wee Lees insane versatility within his clan justifies his ban. He may be one of the weaker bans out there, but it's still justified.

Your whole Hawk/Tomas comparison already fails when you say that SoA and SoB are very similar. No need to discuss this.

Also, I don't need to get Capt. Obvious to explain to you why ELO was flooded with Kolos when he was unbanned and why virtually no one ever uses Lost Hog, Kinjo, Lao Cr and any weird Timber variations. It should be fairly simple to see why that is.
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AllKnowingGod Senior Vicious Salvo Thursday 29/04/2010, 03:51

I totally agree with the wee lee thing..i was just saying that was one of the moderators excuses for wee lee being banned...i totaly agree ulu needs wee lee...ulu is so weak in elo...but on the hawk and kolos remarks i have to disagree greatly...a kolos bluff can win you the match..and catching onto patterns...all higher levels will expect bluff eveytime and thats when you fury...kolos is way too over mowering with his 7 power sob and 12 damage potential that lost hog and dacote dont have...if he didnt have SOB then kolos probably wouldnt be banned...and as for hawk..before he was perma banned sentinal dominated elo...hawk is way too strong of a card at 8/6 SOA...i mean TECHNICALLY hawk and striker are equal to eachother...but thats only when hawk doesnt have his bonus...hawks bonus gives him an extra pill when really the only cards that could stand up to his 8 power is skeelz(that get dominated bc of hawks bonus)..and piranas and nightmare..clans that rely on their abilities...so hawk without a doubt deserves the ban
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-Wicer- Titan Harbingers of Ares Thursday 29/04/2010, 04:31

No one besides me has said a word about Graksmxxt.

Does he really deserve a ban?
As I said before, when Uranus is banned, Sakrohm has no options, they need a card to fill the void.
Graskmxxt stats and ability are good but Sakrohm isn't a very used clan even with the release of Sigma.

But, Wee Lee does deserve the ban. He is better than Graksmxxt because of his bonus.
Caelus deserves to be permabanned because when he isn't banned, he is way to popular and is hard to beat and he gets 13% on average.
Kolos deserves the ban because the reasons AKG said.
Ratanah dosen't deserve a ban anymore. She was too strong but is easy to beat IMO
Marco deserves a ban? Yes he does. Posible 9/9 with the rescue bonus.
Hawk is way too strong to be unbanned.
Zatman, yes -14 min 1 with 8/4 3* very hard to beat and is destroying DMs right now.

Still I would like Graksmxxt unbanned (he is one of my favorite cards of all time.)
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Trippie Imperator Open Casket Thursday 29/04/2010, 12:46

Also Nightmare is a top tier clan when Oshitsune and/or Ghumbo are unbanned, if Kolos was unbanned then Nightmare would become much too overpowered.

Same with Lamar Cr, him and Robb in hand could be unstoppable at times, especially with Marina, Striker, Randy, Jessie etc.
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Vinyl-Scratch Titan D-Versified Thursday 29/04/2010, 19:15

@itbd 'while Wee Lee (U) can be used at every level down to level 1.' Then I'll compare his level 1 to 3 with juicy lord and wee lee. 'while Wee Lee (U) can be used at every level down to level 1.' I know this. - 2 opp power is MUCH BETTER than + 2 power and she has a better damage reducer. There is not many cards that can 2hko with wee lee where a 5 damage doesn't. A marina for ula wata would be welcomed.

'Also, I don't need to get Capt. Obvious to explain to you why ELO was flooded with Kolos (R) when he was unbanned and why virtually no one ever uses Lost Hog (C), Kinjo (U), Lao Cr (Cr) and any weird Timber (R) variations. It should be fairly simple to see why that is.' I did know that all the card I suggested should be banned, shouldn't. It was a joke, seriously, just to show that him being a 1hko is not enough to ban him when other cards don't ban. HENCE, why i said flavio cr aswell, a joke. So what if elo was flooded with him. ELO is flooded with many other cards aswell, it shouldn't be a reason just to ban one card when it doesn't ban others.
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Vinyl-Scratch Titan D-Versified Thursday 29/04/2010, 19:23

@Allknowing thanks for agreeing with my wee lee comparion. Also does anyone know who to compare wee lee against.

Kolos can not 1hko with a damage reducer or soa. With soa he is a weak 7/4. Almost every deck has a soa or a dr or probley both.

'i mean TECHNICALLY Hawk (R) and Striker (U) are equal to eachother...but thats only when Hawk (R) doesnt have his bonus...hawks bonus gives him an extra pill ' The extra level that hawk has to striker. If hawk was equal to striker then he'd be weak. He deserves the extra pill bonus for being a star higher than striker.
'hawks bonus gives him an extra pill when really the only cards that could stand up to his 8 power is Skeelz(that get dominated bc of hawks bonus)' All the 8 powers cards can stand up to hawk and they'll get there bonus aswell. Most decks have 8 powers.
'before he was perma banned sentinal dominated elo' Yeah sentinels were dominating elo because of BOTH hawk and copper. That why I suggested to ban copper instead. Stopping all the annoying caelus and copper combos. Hawk is much more balanced than copper. A 8/6 or a possible 9/8. I'd say the 9/8 deserve a ban even thought he is weak to soa. You wouldn't always face soa.
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Vinyl-Scratch Titan D-Versified Thursday 29/04/2010, 19:27

'But, Wee Lee (U) does deserve the ban. He is better than GraksmxxT (R) because of his bonus.' Wee lee is worse than graks. The - 8 atk make graks win pill for pill up to 7 pills. And a much better damage reducer. 'Still I would like GraksmxxT (R) unbanned (he is one of my favorite cards of all time.)' Being your fav is no reason to unban.

Wicer get some ideas of what your talking about and get a better arguement than 'he is one of my favorite cards of all time'.
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Vinyl-Scratch Titan D-Versified Thursday 29/04/2010, 20:14

In post 176, i ment with juicy lord and b ball.
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vexedvox Titan Thursday 29/04/2010, 20:20

I'd like to see Hawk unbanned and copper put on the perma list; I think hawk being loose would maybe lessen the amount of gheist since he would have a better shot against toro and rolph than most, when copper is unabnned it just encourages more gheist play....i'm not sure if gheist is overpowered or if i just have some strategic difficientcy aganst them but its seem like thats all i see one i get over 1300 and it gets a bit tiring

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