KitsuneKatsumi is that aimed at me? Because Tyd is clearly the best 3* in Piranas (smokey doesn't count) and unless your running one 2* card then Tula is staple. Bonnie Ld can't be classed as staple because not everyone will have it or be able to get it now.
Alot of this is personal opinion to be fair so arguing is pointless but just remember what I say goes so Jungo are better like it or lump it. GW@Z!
Ulrich is better than Tyd. Also now you would play Puff before Tyd.
Tula isn't as good as she used to be- so many of the 4* 6/6 that she kills have been banned. Hawkins, Bonnie and Buff are all much more consistent.
I don't really feel Jungo is anywhere close to the same Tier as Piranas in ELO. They've got Nyema... really that's it. Their best 4* is Niva- a good bargain but not a heavyweight. Their Support guys are strong but die to SOA- so basically they have a fight- well look with Bubba and Boohma. Or they have a Stop look with Greow and Addler. They have bargain high gap guys but they have trouble fighting.
Anyway, Jungo doesn't have the tools to be the same league as Piranas.
Yes but on that level Tyd becomes a very narrow character. In any given ELO week there are maybe only 3-4 SOA characters where Tyd being a vanilla becomes an advantage, and the majority of THOSE characters that are played have 7 power:
7+ power SOA (tough fight to win): Qubik, Yayoi, Bryan, Bogdan
6 or less power SOA (these are where Tyd is strong): Rubie, Glorg, Anita
Tyd used to be an ace against Striker but now Striker's gone so that is about 30% of Tyd's strength.
The other point against Tyd is since he doesn't have the pill manipulation, you never really want to put pills on him when you could put it on Scubb, Dahlia or Hawkins, or put it on Sting where you get 10 power, or Tula where you are getting 3 vs 2.
Any of the aforementioned SOA characters wreck Piranas so if they get played on Ulrich or Puff and not a pill manipulator, I count myself way ahead. So I doubt those characters would be wasted against Ulrich or Puff.
I do like Tyd- SOB characters with 8 or more power are an elite class of great characters- but not having an ability as a Piranas characters hurts him in more match ups than helps.
''I don't really feel Jungo is anywhere close to the same Tier as Piranas in ELO. They've got Nyema... really that's it''
Don't Rodney, Radek or Scopica exist?
''Their best 4* is Niva- a good bargain but not a heavyweight.''
Someone forgot about Eggman?
''Their Support guys are strong but die to SOA- so basically they have a fight- well look with Bubba and Boohma.''
Kolo's also die's to SoA? So does Kenny and Hawkins and Bonnie Ld let's not forget Scubb and oh yeh pretty much every card thats worth using in Piranas apart from Tyd (ironic?) so yeh don't draw the SoA card out on me.
''Or they have a Stop look with Greow and Addler. They have bargain high gap guys but they have trouble fighting.''
Since when does a stop card make a clan better? They don't need stop because of there base high power, that can normally help them out when going against SoA, can't say the same about Piranas lol.
The way you talk about Jungo I wouldn't believe you've even used them.
@bison - if you've read some of KK's other posts, you would realize that he has no idea what he's talking about.
This pretty much sums up and argument with him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSjiq1pLVY&tracker=False
On to the subject of Ulrich vs Tyd, Tyd is far superior. Yes, Ulrich is the only DR for Piranas, but his 5 power and no manipulation pretty much makes him one dimensional - built for the sole purpose of blocking nukes (unless you have Yayoi or some SOA or a - life, then you're screwed completely)
Ulrich is rarely used offensively because he is not worth the risk. Are you really going to try to outpill my Gibson or Grudj or even Gil? No, you won't.
Tyd on the other hand has no weaknesses - 8 power, 4 damage and SOB bonus all for a 3 star? He is the most solid Piranas card and unlike most of them, he isn't crippled by SOA.
Jungo is incredible ELO... let me list a few: Askai, Mindy, Niva, Nyema, Ongh, Pegh, Radek, Rodney, and Scopica are all great options. Greow is also great for heavy SOA weeks.
What is wrong with Jungo in ELO in one sentence:
Mono Jungo's match up against GHEIST is terrible.
Against GHEIST their characters lose their DR and their combat abilities. Nyema, Radek, Rodney, Buba, Boohma, Mindy and Pegh ALL become liabilities. And no matter how many GHEIST get banned each week, once you get past 1250, you WILL hit GHEIST consistently.
What about a STOP Jungo 1/2? The problem their is that Ulu Watu, All- Stars, Vortex, Junta and Sentinels ALL offer better 1/2s against GHEIST.
I think Tyd is great but Ulrich belongs in an even more elite class of characters (DR + SOB). Piranas have several other characters with 8+ power- Puff, Sting and Dalhia- all of whom are a better value than Tyd.