I'm getting Sick and Tired of a few overpowered for their star count cards, so I'm going to say my piece on the cards by clans, starting with :
Frankly, I feel these guys from La Junta are frequently very hard to work around.
This card is ridiculously good, at 7 / 3 with -4 DR for TWO STARS
And she is in a damage manip clan to make things worse, every time I see this card, it usually spells a big problem.
She isn't like the other 2 Star DR's who is a -2 Minimum 1 or -3 Minimum 2 on some occasions . No , she is -4 Minimum 2 and can him for 3 to 5 damages. . . for 2 Stars. . which IS a problem when paired with Pillzken , Isatis and Thormund .
4 Stars for 9 / 8 after you factor her ability and bonus
Which well . . . that's not much fun when they have teammates like Scooty the 7 / 4 2* Attack Manip , Thormund at 11 Power , Trish the 5 / 7 -3 Min 1 Power Reducer and Sabia the wonder DR . Then factor in Pillzken , Brianna and Arnie and you've got killer combos . All of these cards commonly see play as well in La Junta , have 7 or 8 Power ( OR higher / equivalent to 8 ) Even if they bluff Isatis , her teammates are more than capable of picking up her slack.
7 / 8 who brings everything without Protection Power Below him and requires stronger Power Manips to take him down. Efficient as a bluff , mono friendly , and has more than enough replacements , this card is just a ridiculous bonus cherry on the cake.
What are you guys discussing about?
All stars need no bann, which is mostly because there are too much good 3 stars, some good 4 stars and one good 2 star. But the 2star is not good enough for banning her, so all stars are fine, banning makes no sense and releasing striker would change nothing, he's not as good as you guys talk about him.
La Junta is ok, there will be mostly 2 big guys voted out so there is no need of perma banning.
Roots shouldn't be banned any more, there are already a lot of cards banned and the available ones are mediocore on themselve.
Elvira and lea unbanning would be craaaaazy. You could perma bann ALL of the 4&5 star rescues and built 21* deck which will dominate elo. Dr. Norton, Wesley and Sue are already kind of walls, so please don't free any of rescues 2/3 stars. releasing Sledg would be fair for campbell.
We're discussing potential ban candidates, hence the thread title .
Perhaps we are a bit confusing , but we're debating the + and - and = of each card that could be banned or unbanned.
I kinda' agree that All Stars don't need a ban, but in the case they do, I'd like to see Marina go for Striker.
NO, La Junta are not ok, they're ridiculously good. They have a -4 DR minimum 2 for 2 Stars , a card that blocks 9 Power cards for 2 stars , a 7 / 4 good attack manip for 2 stars , a 7 / 8 - 4 Power minimum 5 in Pilzken , an 11 / 3 2star , a 9 / 8 4 Star . . . I question why you don't see the problem? Only 1 of them is usually banned at a time, and even then it isn't enough. They can tank like a boss with Jane Ramba Cr , Sabia , Mileena . . . they're definitely good right now.
Roots ? I suppose.
Elvira is a crazy idea to unban, agreed. Campbell and Reeve / Sue / Steve (one of the 3) for Lea might be a fair trade?
I mean, Reeve is an annoying tank of a card, predictable, but a bit annoying when you have to actually ANSWER the threat card, an 8 / 7 is annoying as hell with +12 attack . Sue or Steve to take away their ability to cushion themselves more while sitting on Kerry , Anita , Buckler but Sledg was pretty op himself with his SOA and SOB immunity without restrictions .
La Junta is a good clan - yes, agreed. But that doesn't mean you need to ban cards from them. They are in no way so good, that everyone plays them and that elo winners are 90% of the time playing them. NO!
nearly every deck played out there in the meta is capable of easily stopping la junta. Especially since the revival of the low power power manipulators which nearly every deck has (+ soa cards kill ALL of the junta cards).
But if you want it like that: Ban Oshitsune, ban rolph again, ban T-Gaank, ban Desmond, ban Diana.
All these cards are just fucking overpowered but you know what? All of them can be stopped and if every deck has one or two of them it doesn't make a difference.
And guess what: If you ban these cards, there will be other now "overpowered" cards and there will be other clans who will destroy midgame. But that's how it is, you can't balance a card game like UR to the end. That's just how it is, accept it.
Soiuku. Lol. You just said that Striker coming back in exchange for Marina wouldn't be bad. So why in post 16 did you say and I quote "Striker coming back just sounds like it wouldn't be a good option. Why on earth you would want a 6 / 6 All Star SOA to come back is beyond me. It would just be another uber powerful fork like Marina."
What are you even on about?
Every ban renders previously average cards OP. When Askai, Troompah, Avola, Dorian, Spyke, Mokra, Grudj etc were running rampant in elo cards like Sledg, Ongh, Jautya and Diana seemed small fry, when they were banned these previously overlooked cards became OP (according to some). How long until we get the situation where people are going "Errmagerrd ban Nobrocybix OP ban Bob Joby OP ban Pulsar OP? For this reason, any more bans, regardless of how sensible, are bad.
Striker does NOT NEED to come back, because of Alexei. And forget Marina, Saki is far more dangerous.
Completely disagree with spikey.. marina needs to go rather than saki..if saki goes let's say goodbye to all stars for elo then
and sledge is not a ordinary card..completely OP.
i guess jautya should be replaced by lear barduh and marina for striker is a fair deal as well..
@ Pingerz : THIS is Post 16 / 67 :
' [[ Striker coming back just sounds like it wouldn't be a good option. Why on earth you would want a 6 / 6 All Star SOA to come back is beyond me. It would just be another uber powerful fork like Marina. It would also give Marina a really strong partner in crime or be another wall / defensive card which All Stars don't need. ]]
I see Jungo all the time when Ongh is unbanned actually.
And I disagree, Roots are topping quite frequently , and Yookie / Curlix are pretty near op for their star count. '
The bracketed text was me speaking about Striker coming back in exchange for Nothing.
I Believe however that Marina In Exchange for striker however, would be fair.
If you don't understand what I'm saying let me break it down for you : I ONLY want to see Striker come back IF Marina is banned permanently. I think that's a fairly straightforward statement.
@SweedGenesis : Great idea, so just allow these cards to roam free and keep topping. No every clan DOES NOT have a fair chance of winning in ELO . They have a fair chance of getting to 1250 - 1300 I'd say, but past that, you need a Meta deck or amazing prediction skills. So . . . ban T Gaank because he's overpowered?? He isn't overpowered, he's stable if anything, and he's almost never/never seen the ELO ban votes, so the community seems to disagree by statistics. Also, ban lists exist to help keep the game stable, and I do agree about Rolph going away. Diana isn't a needed ban anymore,
Unless Diana gets a new, strong partner in crime. Desmond? You have Edd Cr , Vermaire , Mona , Spiaghi but you selected another card who isn't op? I don't see it, he's annoying I suppose, but only if you don't have some attack manip or +Power cards. My Noland , Dave , Sasha , Dr Falkenstein , Magenta and lots of other random cards who I use frequently swat this guy fairly easily. But I agree, he is annoying, but not ban worthy.
Of course new strong cards come along, and they usually get banned too! So unless you're in favor of removing the banlist, it's going to stay that way : New strong card comes out, ' Is it too strong? Banned' , New strong card comes out, 'Is it too strong? No, but staple status 'Semi banned by players sometimes ' , New strong card comes out, 'Is it too strong? No, but semi-staple status ' Almost never sees ban list.
Also , La Junta have way Too Many good cards is the problem , not that they have a few good ones. Isatis (9 /8 4 SOLD ) , Iguana Sampson (Pretty nice for a stop card I'd say ) , Arnie ( 2HKO / amazing fork? Sold ) , Raven (Who wants to play the, pill very carefully game? ) , Thormund (11 / 3 2 star? Sold ) , Scooty (Decent card ) , Tolliver ( 9 / 5 Courage? I'll take it ) Sabia ( - 4 DR min 2 for 2 Stars?? SOLD ) , Jane Ramba Cr (Great Fork ) , Brianna (This card is freaking annoying ) , Pilzken (Have fun with this guy if you don't have an answer ) . That is a pretty huge pool of good and solid / semi-staple cards for one clan to have.
Pussycats don't need a ban. They have a lot of 5*, sure, but their 4* and 3* are limited. The 2* are good. Ban anything and they won't see much play.
Montana might deserve a low star ban (Waller, Spiaghi, Angelo, Ivy, Mona take your pick). They have so many 4* options that banning any won't do anything. (Edd Cr, Desmond, Vemarie, Anna are all 4* 7/5 with differences)
mono La Junta might deserve a ban on Sabia. But my understanding is that La Junta is meant to mono while FPC is meant to half, by design. Also, no point banning any other single La Junta card because they have so many replacements for everything. Sabia is the only ban that will hurt mono.
All-Stars are fine. Striker for Crazy Carlo / Marina is acceptable. Alexei doesn't even see play, I doubt Striker would.
Vortex needs a ban on Cyb Lhia or C Wing. Those two make the Vortex half absurd.
Roots doesn't need more bans.
I want to see a Buba ban for Jungo, because mono Jungo is way out of hand whenever Ongh is out. Even half Jungo is pretty strong. This clan has too much base 8 Power and Attack / Power manip abilities for a "Damage" clan.
Lear Barduh is weaker than Jautya. Uncontested, Lear Barduh deals 1 more damage when played on the FIRST ROUND. Jautya might be weak against DR, but you have Murray to play around those. SOA might be a weakness, but that's prevalent throughout Sakrohm anyway. This clan needs another 2*, and some 3* though.
GHEIST needs some unbans.
Skeelz need some Reprisal / Courage damage.
Lol Michael. Now I wish Carter either had Protection: Power or 1 more power.
The Lear Barduh/Jautya problem is that both of them in a deck would be quite cheese, and most people already had decks based around Jautya when Barduh came into the picture. It's like how Ratanah is banned when Tuck is mildly better; decks with noth in Elo would be terrifying.