After much feedback about the difficulty of getting hold of Rebirth cards, we’ve decided to make them more accessible by standardizing their distribution. Rebirth Cards are versions of original cards aimed at replacing the originals in new players’ collections and in the packs:
-They have the same stats.
-They have improved graphics.
-They have the same level of rareness as their original version and are available in all the Shop’s packs apart from New Blood ones.
As of today, you can get hold of a Rebirth card in the Shop's packs as a replacement to its original which will no longer be distributed.
“Ah but you have to pay to get hold of these cards!”
Don’t worry, next week you’ll have the chance to get hold of them in a Leader Wars or Coliseum event without spending a dime.
“OK, but there’s an entrance free for Leader Wars, isn’t there?”
Yes, there is an entrance fee but in Clintz only, which means you can keep your credits for New Blood packs and promotions. And some people manage to get hold of tickets
Here are the broad outlines of the new way to get hold of Rebirth cards:
- an Rb announcement in the shop's packs
- the original version will cease to be distributed
- a feature event the following week for a catch-up session
This will make Rebirth cards more accessible and will breathe new life into your collection. It will also increase the value of the original cards.
“So will the original versions now be Collector cards?”
No, existing original versions do not have Collector status as there is a Rebirth version of them with identical stats in the packs.
Finally, please contact our Customer Support Team if you've bought (and not won) a Rebirth card.
You'll be reimbursed to the Market value of the Rebirth card.
We appreciate your interest in Urban Rivals.
EDIT: After some discussion, we have decided to change the refund policy to include those who won RB cards.
If you won an RB card: Please contact support, and include a screenshot of your card history showing that you won the card. Your compensation will be based on the price of the card prior to Rebirth 2.0 announcement, as follows:
syd noze rb : 200k
ashley rb : 90K
baby q rb : 120K
Wardog Rb : 250k
Nanook Rb : 500k
vermyn N Rb : 350K
Striker Rb : 380k
If you have purchased an RB card: Please contact support, and include a screenshot of your market history showing the price you paid for the card.
We appreciate all of your suggestions and feedback in regards to this matter, and thank you for your patience. For a thorough explanation as to why we feel the RB 2.0 initiative was necessary and will be a big benefit to the game, please see the following thread: http://www.urban-rivals.com/en/community/forum/?mode=viewsubject&forum_page=0&id_subject=2550671&subject_page=last#answers
Thank you and happy gaming to you all.
edited by ghelas wednesday 20/05/2015, 11:35
Several weeks ago ur admin informally surveyed some of the active player base.... i wonder if this was ever discussed.
months ago one of the things i mentioned was that UR consistently made decisions that made them appear that they just pull some decisions out of thin air....
they then game us the announcement of their long term plans.... we welcomed it
then they pull a surprise
as for RB reimbursements, that is a lot of man hours that UR staff will have to do to minimize the fall out ---- i really wish that time was used for other things instead of what it has to be used for now
Thanks for the questions and feedback, everyone! I will try to answer one at a time.
@Famous Falco (27:
-Was there a reason why the old cards weren't removed from the market for a couple days?
It's a different system than Crs, and for the foreseeable future it will remain that way.
-When future RB announcements are made, could the old cards be removed from the market temporarily?
We have no intentions of doing that as of right now. We want to see how things shake out with the current system. After all, when an RB announcement is made, a card isn't really going "out of circulation" so much as a graphically improved version is being substituted for the older one.
-Are the old versions going to be available in events/elo/coliseums/wheel of tokens as prizes? Or will they become more scarce than CRs?
I expect they will become pretty scarce, but the extent of this is not 100% certain. Again, unlike CRs, these cards are still essentially available in a different form. Many CRs have significant play value, while "classic" versions of Rebirthed cards do not.
-Is there a technical reason for the push to remove certain artwork before the modernization or is it purely aesthetic?
If I understand correctly, most of the older art is low-res and can't be displayed on the new cards in the same way due to scaling.
@Xonia_LoA (279) AND everyone who has not received a reply yet:
If your case requires additional directions in order for support to be able to assist you, support will send you those directions when they begin to process your ticket.
@STAPHIZBAD4U (280): "how can a average player have the same chances to win prizes in any mode (credits, clintz, tokiens) when facing some of those brilliant lords of UR who control the market and have cards way too powerful to be counterbalanced with more accessible cards? It not a matter of skills or strategy"
I don't agree with this generalization. Many skilled players start achieving good results prior to having valuable collections... In fact, their collection values grow because they are boosted by prizes. ELO mode is a good example of this, and many player events that don't require expensive cards are a good example of this as well. I know this because I, myself, am an example: in the beginning of my UR career I played almost entirely in ELO mode, and ranked in Top 100 repeatedly with low-budget decks.
@Daxose (284/285/292/293): I don't think we should compare FR and UR price adjustments for many reasons, the most obvious of which is that FR is in Beta. Furthermore, I don't think the backlash here had anything with people feeling entitled, but with the originally proposed solution being less than ideal in terms of fairness. This is a case in which we had a more fair solution available to us, and we chose to go with it. The main thing that distinguished this from being a scenario like DJ Korps is that it wasn't a mistake, it was a deliberate choice. I think that makes the situation more, not less, severe. If there was a mistake that greatly effected collection values, that would be one thing, but a deliberate action that greatly devalued collections is another.
@STAPHIZBAD4(294): I'm sorry you feel that way, but I think it's a pretty dramatic overstatement. I still have a blast playing ELO, and just watching the events of the Community Cup was thrilling (there were many times when competition between two teams was extremely fierce and the scores were tied or very close at absolutely pivotal moments!) It's true that a lot of players are more concerned with the market than the competitive aspects... But I can assure you that the competitive aspects of UR are still alive and well.
@Daxose(30: I really want you to see the difference here...
"I get a new job.
I buy a new house.
I lose my new job within 6 months because the market crashes.
I demand my new house (that I have no money for now) be free because how was I supposed to know I would lose my job or the market would crash. There we no signs!!!!! zOMG!"
Imagine if the decision of whether you kept your job or not was up to the same people who sold you the house. Now, does it seem fair if the decision is in their hands, given the conflict of interests? We're looking at an equivalent scenario here. It would be different if due to decisions made exclusively by players, RB cards drastically dropped in value, and we would not have intervened in that case.
edited by ghelas thursday 21/05/2015, 09:31
@LuMulana(310 I just want to say, thank you to contributing to our great community!
@Eric WMD(318 I'll inform our tech team. I think we should be able to do something about this quickly.
@Myeltd(330 Responding both in PMs and here, since I want the answer to be visible:
"I really can't tell if you're being serious about this. RB's, like EVERY CARD IN THIS GAME, are an investment. People use clintz to buy them, doing so at their own risk, not knowing whether they're going to increase or decrease in value. To suddenly reimburse people for making a bad mistake is laughably bad, as you're quite literally handing them what they want with little to no effort or repercussions while also saturating the market with new clintz (because as we all know, more clintz in circulation depreciates the value of the cards on the market). Doing this will have a longterm negative impact on this game, as now everyone knows that if there is ANY update they dislike, they can do sh't like this and get what they want."
Again, the operative difference is that this market/value change was due to a decision made by the developers of the game. It was not a "natural" market fluctuation. We will definitely not interfere in any other market affairs that are the product of natural market actions or player actions. No player should expect us to do so.
I agree that this was not handled ideally, but as with any other such issue, we will learn from it and use player feedback to help us build better practices.
edited by ghelas thursday 21/05/2015, 09:32
And at the risk of double posting (after reading the other comments):
Clearly we all know some things could have been done better by both sides.
If you lost nothing, stop whining.
If you lost a good bit (I spent a good deal of real money getting a small stock of Baby Q Rb when she was available to use as leverage towards other Rbs, so yes -- I lost a good bit of money -- somewhere between 1.5M and 3M, depending on what amount I get for my trades) -- be happy UR is trying to compensate. We who had Rbs all know the prices were VERY variable. The only ones who have anything to remotely complain about (imo) are those with Nanook Rb or Striker Rb, as their reimbursement is not even close to what they lost. Everyone else is pretty close to what the market had at the moment of this all happening, and UR is trying to make it right. You even get to keep the cards!
I will not complain that UR is trying to make this right, and I believe the direction Rbs have taken is WAY better than where it was before! For that, I commend you for the change. They knew it wouldn't be popular and they did it to make the game better.
Ghelas - Your patience and succinct answers are often pointed in the right direction. Please don't waste too much time trying to assuage those who just like to be grumpy for now reason when their issues cannot be addressed to the fullest of their desires. Thanks for sticking around and answering them, still.
"If you lost nothing, stop whining.
If you lost a good bit (I spent a good deal of real money getting a small stock of Baby Q Rb when she was available to use as leverage towards other Rbs, so yes -- I lost a good bit of money -- somewhere between 1.5M and 3M, depending on what amount I get for my trades) -- be happy UR is trying to compensate. We who had Rbs all know the prices were VERY variable. The only ones who have anything to remotely complain about (imo) are those with Nanook Rb or Striker Rb, as their reimbursement is not even close to what they lost. Everyone else is pretty close to what the market had at the moment of this all happening, and UR is trying to make it right. You even get to keep the cards!"
And yeah, Ghelas was both patient and forthcoming as always.
Thanks for the responses Ghelas!
I still think based on what we know now cards should be removed from the market when a rebirth is released. When a garbage unplayable card is turned into a CR it's price still increases. I see no reason why this would be any different.
I assume old versions of cards won't affect a person's "rank"? That will help to lower demand some.