This ban list was created together with the players
Striker (+ Striker Rb)
The next ELO ban list will arrive after 4 weeks.
These are the reasons why we did these changes:
All Stars: We wanted to try and restore Marina in order to give the clan a more defensive side in ELO. Striker has been banned in exchange, since the both together would have made the clan too strong.
Freaks: One among Arturo and Ramath had to go, since Freaks were played too much. We decided to pick Arturo.
Jungo: Jungo were played too much, so we decided to add ginnifer to the ban list. However, since this would have left the clan without pure defensive cards low stars, we also swapped pegh and jean.
Montana: This was the most discussed change.
This is a test: we restored spiaghi, while banning 2 strong montana cards for mono-decks, moses and avola.
We want to try and see if montana can become again a good pick for bi-clan decks.
IMPORTANT: If Spiaghi will decrease the number of montana decks in room AND if he will be again used mostly as splashed card, we reserve the right to revert this change back at any time, even before the next ban list release!
Piranas: One among smokey cr, parmabarb, ursula and lizbeth had to go, since we find the clan a bit too strong. We decided to pick Lizbeth.
Rescue: We want to test the return of a very old school card: Elvira.
In exchange we banned Reeve, the most picked 5 of the clan and the 5 with the highest winrate for Rescue.
If this change will greatly increase the number of rescue decks in room, we will check it again next time.
If this change won't change many things for the clan, reeve may return back with no trades next month.
One among Moai and Streex had to go, since Ulu Watu were played too much. We decided to pick Streex.
All the others clan: We thought their playrate and usage was fine and that they can stay as they are for another 4 weeks. Changes to them may be done next time.
We discussed other cards often in the players bans (like mama killa or rattle), but we agreed that for now you players can take care of them with your weekly votes.
Have fun guys!
edited by HD_BossKilla7 monday 10/10/2016, 13:17
@oogje16 "Maybe you should start your own game if everything was that simple"
Let's not bring that "Go found your own country if you dont agree with government" stuff. HD_BossKilla7 asked for discussion and i answered his call. If i know they already have mechanism of checking cards and their clans in deck then it's natural to assume that it's not complicated to use it again since nothing needs to be invented. Whether or not they have resource limited to 1 man-hour to work on this case and the button "ban 7-1" already exists or some decisions are made on quick over farthought basis is another question.
Anyways, i ask you not to quote me on things i didn't say henceforth: i never say that everything is simple, i just recognize simple things when i see them where i know them and i know a couple of things about programming.
@Don - it's not a discussion when you just accuse them for "being lazy".
We have no idea how easy or hard it is to implement new features in their code because we just don't see it.
Secondly, this algorithm, you suggested is not professional:
" If deck has Spiaghi or other "splash-banned" card and that card's bonus has 0% chance to occur then deck's banned"
Thirdly: Making another list just for splash cards we can't use? Sounds pointless and takes some time.
@Izy7, i didn't accuse UR Staff for being lazy in general, dont get me wrong, i do appreciate all the work they're doing over here, i just called "lazy" the approach of casting something aside because it may take a little more time to implement. The effects of this decision will last for a long time and it's better to spend an hour or two more but make things right. Sorry if i sounded offensive there, didn't intend to.
"We have no idea how easy or hard it is to implement new features in their code because we just don't see it." - true, but we can see the results of its work and public preset page proves that checking deck for cards and clans already exists.
"this algorithm, you suggested is not professional" - i dont know exact methods but i guess the general idea is understandable. If you want something more code-like then i guess something like this:
for (i=1 , _numberofcards,i++)
if (card[i]._splashbanned==true && numberOfSameClanCards(card[i]._clan)>=1)
private function numberOfSameClanCards(claninquestion:String):int
for (i=1 , _numberofcards,i++)
Here. The Hardest algorithm ever.
Its not that practical to implement....refer #post63
I dont understand the fuss with spiaghi..
For sure,monty will remain playable as onyl mono clan if not for spiaghi.
And its just 1 card which can be banned even with a 3% cut off votes.. And its just for 4 weeks as a test run..
As for gheist, its not like they have super strong cards..its mostly bcoz they are used as counter to a meta of mamkilla clive jinnifer like cards.. Banning jinnifer can be a start...
"Making another list just for splash cards we can't use? Sounds pointless and takes some time" - this one's the good point. Still though i dont think it's pointless since you'll be able to unban splashable cards while preventing them from being actually splashed which was the initial task. Also you may splash some not OP cards (like Plunk) thus you'll have more deck-building freedom than if you just ban "7-1". About time it takes - an hour of coding(smoke break included) and 10 minutes of artist drawing crossed pill of different color or something.
Again, dont get me wrong, i'm dont think it's a matter of life and death over here, nor do i think there's no better option. I just disagree in general that it's hard and complicated, and also that decisions should be chosen based on which of them is quickest to implement.
It'll make the game even more complicated.
There's two different ban lists already, and adding another one, moreover with a very complicated algorithm is not favourable. Also it can be overcome by using to splashes from the same clan. I don't there are many cards which threaten to be op as splashes other than spiaghi, and maybe Clive? Chaira cr? Idk.