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Don Jubas - Saturday 10/12/2016, 00:07
Colossus - Гильдия 42

Yep, second wind oftop it is

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Anonymous___ - Saturday 10/12/2016, 02:05
Colossus - Open Casket

Today the prize is 1 credit

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Xonia - Saturday 10/12/2016, 02:27
Titan

@ghelas - The points you have made are not only valid, but have been made in excruciating detail by now. Anyone who has read anything you've posted knows what you want. It was apparent awhile ago, but you've continued to hammer at it. Up until a few ago, I got that you wanted newer players to get it as well, but now it's a personal conversation in the threads. You are only trying to convince waster, and it won't happen. There is no need to continue beating the horse. Either people will agree with you, or not. Take the rest of this to PMs, please. I assure you anyone investing the time to read all you wrote will get it. Trust me.

tl;dr - We get it. If you must convince waster personally, please take it to PMs.

@waster -
"you challenged - i stepped up - you upped the challenged and ask for higher aims and standards
yet at the same time ask for patience and understanding on our expectations on devs."

This is how I see it. It's like when your mom (Ghelas) tells you to pick up all your clothes strewn about the floor. You picked up one of your dirty underwear and threw it in the laundry basket. Then when mom (Ghelas) says "That's not what I asked..." you replied, "But I picked up my clothes!" Mom says, "Not all of them, though, youngling." The difference is not a double standard. The devs are actually carrying out the ideas players want. You're making a framework and telling others to do it.

Ghelas asked for an event he'd back. You made it, but after spending a few minutes, you said, "OK! My part is done! You do the rest and tell the Admins to take care of it all!" That's not making an event. That's a childish way of saying you did something, when you basically just said, "Here's an idea! You do it!" That's not actually doing stuff. It's just "kinda doing stuff", at best. "Delegation" if you prefer a nice euphemism for it.

My question for you is that most of your attacks seemed directed at Ghelas. I've not seen you argue with anything I've written, and I suspect it's mostly because you can't use the same "personal attacks" against me to re-direct at the game. If you can, then by all means go for it, but I think most of Ghelas' points are valid. I also think yours are, but the way you present them is just... not in a mature fashion that will make people respond to your criticisms the way you'd like. If you start making point aimed at the game, and not at Ghelas, you might gain more ground. Also, you need more depth to your points. They often seem to be slightly falling short of what I'd like to see to back you over Ghelas. Case in point, the above example. It's not a double standard. You're not actually doing the same thing, or even at the same level as the requirements of the Admins. Of course, this is just what I'd like, and you don't have to please me, but if you can't even please a player, then the Admins are less likely, who have even more invested.

tl;dr - Do you really think what you're doing is what Ghelas wanted originally? Honestly?

@Build God - But you do have some invested interest, right? If the game tanks, you're out all you've spent, the time, and your friends you've made here, assuming that's all worth something to you now. Just because we don't make money doesn't make it worthless. It's like saying that playing a video game is worthless because one day I'll beat it and never want to play it again. Also, if you actually like the game, having an event isn't -just- work. It's enjoyable for everyone and earns you experience. I won't consider my time a waste for making my YT videos when the game is gone far in the future. It was enjoyable and a challenge to me now, and I helped a few other people enjoy the game more. I also get constant PMs from people saying thanks. It's fun, a privilege, and helps me learn about making YT videos, too.

tl;dr - Either what you're doing now matters, or it doesn't. If it does, you've got invested interest.

edited by Xonia saturday 10/12/2016, 02:27

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Xonia - Saturday 10/12/2016, 02:40
Titan

In less long posts, here's the story for today:

Continuing his investigation, Morgan headed down to the Piranas' base. As he was just doing his job, there was no need to sneak in. He was, essentially, the paparazzi after all. Upon arrival, Morgan noticed a new recruit, so he decided to try and get some information from him. Newbies always slipped up, after all.

"Hello, there. Who are you? I'm Morgan, and I've got a few questions about some things that have been going on."

Langren, the new recruit, knew better than to speak up, even if this was his second day in the clan. However, he also saw this as an excellent chance to stir up a little trouble in Clint City and earn some brownie points with Bloodh.

"Langren. Whaddaya want?"

"Have you noticed anything suspicious lately?" asked Morgan.

"I don't know. Maybe. I was checking the Uppers' place, n' found this blue card in the bushes I was hid... I mean walking by. No clue what is it, though."

"Thanks for your time."

Morgan took the card, and decided not to push further for now. If what Langren said was true, perhaps the Noel had been by the Uppers' place recently...

edited by Xonia saturday 10/12/2016, 02:40

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ghelas - Saturday 10/12/2016, 03:10
Titan - E X C A L I B U R

Xonia, you're right: I think there's a lot more discussion here, but it's getting to the point where it's not pertinent to anyone else but a couple of people, so it's best left to PMs. However, there's one more thing I want to say to Waster and Build God that needs to be said publicly.

Game developers are part of the entertainment industry.

We aren't any different than singers, artists, movie makers, and so on. It's really easy for people to see the outliers: those are the world-famous guys raking money in by the million, often putting in from the outside what looks like minimal effort. What they so often don't see is the norm, and it goes like this:

For whatever reason, you are driven to inspire people. You make the career choices that your friends and family tell you are bound to fail. You make personal sacrifices, you skip nights of sleep. You take little jobs over and over again so that you can learn and work your way up. You struggle and pass up opportunities... You put yourself before people, and are routinely judged not just by your bosses, but by anyone who happens to see any part of your work. You are judged by hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands every day, and the more you succeed, the more you are judged.

You do this because you have an itch in the back of your head that tells you to inspire people, because inspiration is as essential to mankind as food and water.

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ghelas - Saturday 10/12/2016, 03:15
Titan - E X C A L I B U R

The evidence of these hardships is quite easy to spot. This is why you see even wildly successful entertainers burn out, go a little nuts, or veer off onto some darker path from which there is no complete recovery.

Almost nobody is dumb enough to be doing this kind of stuff "just for the money." And in my personal case, experience aside, I wasn't in a position that was any different than many seasoned Boostr players. But I saw the problems and I wanted to help reverse the fall. I would like to think I did my part to, at the very least, slow it.

Regardless... Next time you chose to judge an entertainer, try to remember that the real currency for us isn't whatever's in our paycheck, but the passion we have for our work, and for the people whom that work touches.

You can chose to support us, or not. But you get out what you put in.

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Fun OK 6 9 - Saturday 10/12/2016, 04:58
Titan - OnE MaLaysia

"Next time you chose to judge an entertainer, try to remember that the real currency for us isn't whatever's in our paycheck, but the passion we have for our work, and for the people whom that work touches."
- Well said. It doesn't only apply to entertainers...it applies to anyone going after their passion regardless of profession.

"This is why you see even wildly successful entertainers burn out, go a little nuts, or veer off onto some darker path from which there is no complete recovery."
- Many end up having to rely on meds or even resort to substance abuse which finally kill their career or themselves whichever comes first. Elvis Presley. Whitney Houston.

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MythicAlbert - Saturday 10/12/2016, 07:53
Colossus - Open Casket

" - Many end up having to rely on meds or even resort to substance abuse which finally kill their career or themselves whichever comes first. Elvis Presley. Whitney Houston."
I finally understand why Fraggle left so many years ago

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J amox - Saturday 10/12/2016, 09:46
Colossus - Open Casket

Nice story Xonia and u raise some good points

Acknowledged, ghelas

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ghelas - Saturday 10/12/2016, 10:13
Titan - E X C A L I B U R

@Rovne: That's pretty close to the truth of the matter, I think. Fraggle did a ton of work, and a lot of different kinds of work. He tried to be the public face of FR as well. In addition to being worn out, I think he was dealing with disputes regarding whether Boostr would focus on UR or FR, and a lot of criticism from FR players when there were problems he couldn't instantly find a solution for.

I wish I had talked to him on a more personal level, but I remember those last couple of months before he announced his departure from Boostr. He seemed utterly exhausted.

@Build God: Thanks.