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wasteroftime - Sunday 11/12/2016, 00:12
Titan - Open Casket

Xonia its a long history with ghelas i wont delve into details at this point
as for the event, i was and am perfectly ok with running it -- but not with ghelas calling all the shots. i kicked the ball, he kicked the ball back, i kicked it back, and he wont kick it back to me now -- but yes you are right its a PM matter
he has issues about my motivation, which was the trump card he could always pull -- which to me just means he had zero intention of ever actually supporting anything id propose since his perception of my motivation is something only in his control.

@everyone

i think ive always been more hardlined about how business is business. Yes devs are people and they have pride and respond to carrots and sticks. But business is business. Im sure ive made a point of being blunt in my feedback, previously in moderator forums that then spilled over into the public forums once i left the moderator forum.

i am still convinced that a business like boostr is a business first. and should be a business first. feelings aside, popular opinion aside, it needs to behave with the bottom line in mind. So good ideas regardles of who or how it is delivered has merit. and any smart business knows this. Boostr does often do this, evidenced by their many decisions to pursue the profits in many of their developments. If the rantings or ravings of one or two or three or twenty clients is what is affecting their ability to make good business decisions -- then that is a

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wasteroftime - Sunday 11/12/2016, 00:18
Titan - Open Casket

Problem they need to address. And i know they are not doing this. They are smart and continue to cater for the ones paying for their lunch money. The challenge they face is how to find more people to pay for their lunch money without risking losing their current flock or investing more than they can afford to with the risk of not getting returns.

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wasteroftime - Sunday 11/12/2016, 00:42
Titan - Open Casket

I think this is basically what this whole silly off topic discussion comes down to.

ghelas and i dont particularly like each other.
its simply two personalities that dont mesh well with each other
and trolling each other on the forum has just been a way to keep this going

as a player he once accused me of defending UR too much as a mod
once admin he had more info that me and thought i was too critical of UR at times

and this has been the story over the past years, first done a bit in the public forums, mostly mod forums, then pms, then just public forum

i think both of us do genuinely like this game since it has provided both of us hours of entertainment

if you actually look at forum records. i think ive had strong disagreements with 2-3 players in my years here, many of those as a moderator. the same probably for gheals --- but im sure a bit more due to his higher profile role as admin

so yeah i think its just two people who dont particularly like each other. but ive never been passive aggressive about it i can say

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wasteroftime - Sunday 11/12/2016, 00:46
Titan - Open Casket

I should add to this

as a player he once accused me of defending UR too much as a mod
once admin he had more info that me and thought i was too critical of UR at times

while i thought he was someone too new to UR to understand what was going on.
i actually had him on my PM blacklist until he was admin and messaged me via kate message in order to work together for the EN community. sometimes i wonder if i had just ignored that initial message I obviously thought he was being overly protective and defensive about his new bosses

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wasteroftime - Sunday 11/12/2016, 00:55
Titan - Open Casket

Oh almost forgot since this is probably one of the key things as to why this has gone on for so long

as a player ghelas had made complaints about me to admin regarding my suitability as a mod and i should not be a mod
admin had basically told me to stop talking to ghelas in the public forums since my dealings with him is not really want they wanted one of their mods to do and stop pms with him so that we would not wind each other up

haha. its like two stupid boys in grade school who harass each other and yet continue to sit on adjacent desks

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Anonymous___ - Sunday 11/12/2016, 01:29
Colossus - Open Casket

Again 800 Clintz

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Don Jubas - Sunday 11/12/2016, 01:36
Colossus - Гильдия 42

I'll be honest: i didn't read 2 previous pages cuz i dont want to waste my free time on it, i'll read it on monday on work
Still, i can bet all my collection i know what all that posts are about:
ghelas: "i think players should work together and help admins build our bright future, while waster says that game is shit and must be closed and everybody suck"
waster: "i think admins should listen to what players say cuz they make money from us, while ghelas says that the game is as popular as it was at its golden age and nothing needs to be changed"

C'mon, guys, you continue to post same arguments over and over thinking it probably entertains others or maybe makes them think. Well, who knows, maybe someone still finds it fresh, but i'm kind of man who prefers silense over empty talk so it annoys me.
If i'm correct once you both got some sort of agreement that you'd support some event for the community. You only couldn't come to agreement what event it should be. Well, i made some topic just for you: http://www.urban-rivals.com/en/community/forum/?mode=viewsubject&id_subject=2633960 here community itself gives you event ideas to support.
So pick and choose, make something actually happen.
Cuz in case you didn't notice YOU MAKE NOTHING HAPPEN WITH YOUR TALKS NOW

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ghelas - Sunday 11/12/2016, 02:43
Titan - E X C A L I B U R

Waster, I like this line of reasoning, so let's talk about UR as a place of business.

Imagine any local business, right?
Every day, this guy walks in.
At the top of his lungs, he shouts:
"This place is bad! So awful. The management is bad and they don't know how to run this place. Every time I see a person walk in here I am so surprised."

This purely theoretical person would be escorted off the premises by security, right?

In fact, as I've pointed out before, we have this at the top of the forums:
"You can chat about Urban Rivals in a friendly way. We won't tolerate flames wars, racist message or any message who sole purpose is to create chaos in the community."
You're violating this principal regularly. You're not treating the individual staff or the business that is Boostr with any respect, and your attempts to solve things with enough stomping and brute force are quite bad for the game. Consider the RB poll:

Build God and some other players discussed it with me, then it was quickly discussed with the devs, and in a few days, we got an apology and our own poll. YOUR solution, however, was to talk about the FR poll in a hostile way and direct a lot of EN people to it. (This means some of those people will probably end up voting twice. Also means that the data UR devs receive about which communities voted how is less accurate.)

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ghelas - Sunday 11/12/2016, 02:49
Titan - E X C A L I B U R

Take a moment to look at how you're behaving, and really think about whether you're doing harm or good... I mean, in general.

What you're doing isn't helpful to UR; it demoralizes the hard-working people behind it.
What you're doing isn't helpful to the EN community; it makes us look petty and contentious, thus less likely to be taken seriously.
What you're doing isn't helpful to Waster; it just seems to make you more frustrated, and it's not changing things in the way you wish they changed.

On the other hand, there are a lot of players in this thread... Just about everyone, really... Who have voiced their opinions about mistakes and issues in UR in a respectful and constructive way, and achieved some results. Build God, Xonia, even this Ghelas dude. So maybe that should tell you something.

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Six Nations - Sunday 11/12/2016, 03:05
Titan - Open Casket

I think we should all chill out...

The staff have been very proactive as of late, including us in decisions, giving us notice of future updates, providing frequent coliseums, and generally doing a pretty good job.

I think the increasing number (however small) of online players is testament to the dedication of the new smaller team of devs we have now.

You won't always get every decision right, and you can never please everyone.

I also appreciate and can agree with many points that different people are making.