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edited by HD_BossKilla7 thursday 01/12/2016, 14:18
Unsure if responding is a good idea, but I'll just do it once.
1) "Last 50 posts" was an exaggeration. I knew I'd get lambasted for it, because we all (including me) pick apart everything everyone says. So I should have been more honest and said, "Posts 191-194", but it felt like more because of how long this argument's gone on, and I lost my cool. I usually edit those posts, but this time I didn't. That's my fault. I apologize. I'm sorry. Particularly because some of the last 50 posts were quite useful.
2) No one's banned. However, spamming and flaming are strictly forbidden, and are punishable by temp bans. Both agreed they've made their points already, and more is useless (waster 193, ghelas 166), yet ghelas continued. Ghelas' posts (183-187) are all fine and constructive. I actually appreciated those. However, this has also grown quite off-topic. If they'd like to talk about this in another thread, please do. Just not here, as it's no longer about the Advent calendar, but work ethic and the proper ethos UR Admins should have.
Anyone who's ever gotten a message from me (I've only hidden behind Kate's message a handful of times - most are personal messages so you know who is talking to you) will tell you I don't hand out punishment quickly or readily. I believe we can be better, and a reprimand is usually enough to elicit the desired response. But rules are rules, and when I've already warned you once (which I did in post 164) and been polite, don't expect the second time to be as forgiving. I'm not just "all talk." I enforce the rules if I have to, but only if you force me to.
3) By "thread-banning", I mean something like, "Xonia cannot post anything in thread XYZ." The only option Mods have right now to stop this kind of thing would be to either lock the thread (preventing all communication by everyone) or banning the person (which I already said neither deserves, unless they've spammed or flamed, which is something they are both dangerously close to doing, in my eyes). I'd like a middle-ground to let me break up arguments without locking a thread or banning someone.
4) @Build God - Surprised? I don't care if you're the Pope or even an Admin. My job is to enforce forum rules. I'm not going to show partiality to ANYONE, and that also includes my own guild and myself, which I have a track record of already. Too many Mods show partiality to guildmates and others they like. That's not OK. The rules are simple and clear. Follow them and you can do whatever you want. Break them, and you get punished. It's pretty simple, and that's my "job" as a Mod. Sure, I'm not perfect, and no one is, but there's less empathy after a warning has been given.
5) @theKFCguy - My tl;dr - Waster & Ghelas argued over how UR should run, and we should treat them. I told them to take it to PMs, because they both said what they wanted and didn't need to continue. They agreed, but then Ghelas continued, and I got upset. Also, spamerino isn't particularly allowed in general forums. It'd keep posts at the top of the page, blocking more pertinent posts for others. Personally, if it were a spam thread, though, I wouldn't be against it if it was kept PG-13...
6) @Infiniti - I said it straight in my post, and I didn't mean a ban that would figuratively set him on fire. "temp flaming ban" To quote:
(166) "Xonia, you're right: I think there's a lot more discussion here, but it's getting to the point where it's not pertinent to anyone else but a couple of people, so it's best left to PMs. However, there's one more thing I want to say to Waster and Build God that needs to be said publicly."
(194) "Waster, old chum, I'm positive at this point that you either haven't read or haven't processed anyone's post but your own. I think you read the top two lines of each of mine, and then spend the rest of the time re-reading yours."
I guess I thought I could find something stronger, but that's the best I can get in easy-to-see quotations from posts. Ghelas is a smart guy, and a great player. He understands the game, and as I've said, I fall much more to the side of his argument than Waster's. Perhaps I simply want to protect him from himself, or from making our side look worse. Perhaps I'm tougher on him. Perhaps you'll say that's not nearly enough to call for a real ban. I'd be happy to discuss that with you, as well, should the need actually arise. This isn't a dictatorship, after all, and I'm not the boss. But I'm a Mod because you believed my fairness and judgment would not be rash or (too) biased, correct? They do have to follow UR's rules, and if I think they're not, you'd best bet I'll be lodging a complaint, whoever that is.
If you read this all, thanks. If not, sorry for the huge post. I'll be bowing out after this, because this thread is long enough already, and I've added too much as it is. If you'd like to talk about anything, please PM me or make a general thread and invite me.
edited by Xonia monday 12/12/2016, 01:55
Xonia wouldn't be a great mod if he wasn't willing to do his job regardless of the person in question. There would be no bad blood between us if I ended up with a temporary ban. My apologies to everybody, this definitely got a little heated and over-redundant, and definitely doesn't belong on the forums. I just happen to feel particularly strongly about this point -- it's an occupational hazard. But it's not just UR's future, but the future of gaming as a whole that is at stake here.
Mistreated devs will always grow more distant from their communities and that means their decisions will stop being made with players in mind. It won't sour your milk, it won't make your babies cry, but it means that instead of something like UR, the next hit game is a clone of a clone of a clone. And... we learn from games, culturally. Games shape who we are, how we solve problems, how we interact with people. I wouldn't be in this line of work if I didn't think that was staggeringly important.
That said, I'm letting it rest. No more trying to drive this home and no more arguments, and once again, my apologies to all.