It seems you needed some more explanations about new changes in ELO. We will do our best to explain those changes here.
We want to use the ELO bans not only to make this mode more balanced but also to make it funnier. Therefore we will ban several characters in addition to the ones which are already in the staff list.
The characters in this additional list won’t be in the staff banned characters list. Which means that it won’t be penalizing in Daily Tournaments.
We are making these changes in order to make the ELO mode funnier et not letting it strategically freeze. Therefore this list of characters may regularly change. We try hard not to make too big changes at a time so you can easily follow what’s happening.
One more thing :
A new system will be released during August to see how the ELO mode will improve. In September, according to the results we will decide on the definitive changes which will be necessary.
Here list of the characters which will be banned in ELO from next Monday (08/02):
(You’ll also find the ELO staff banned characters)
Staff banned (with DT penalties):
Zatman, Ratanah, Wee Lee, Jackie, Lyse Teria Cr, Vickie Cr, Kiki Cr, General Cr, DJ Korr Cr, Tanaereva, Guru Cr, GraksmxxT, Lamar Cr, Alec Cr, Marco, Kolos, Hawk
New list bans (no DT penalty):
Shadow read Repeat`s post. read my response. my response was directly towards him.. not buying and selling in general
read it again mate.... in the context that he is describing -- buying and selling is a losing proposition.
you are NOT using the tactic in the context it is being discussed. Playing the market smartly is not the same as buying and selling the decks you are playing with or plan to play with on a week to week basis. So ya.... read the post again if youd like before jumping on the post
Waster, I use the tactic to buy and sell the flavour of the week decks when I need to AS WELL as using it in other areas. That's what general means. It covers it all.
For instance: I hardly ever use GHEIST unless I play Elo, so I usually sell my Toro and Leviatonn and buy them when they've been allowed again.
So yes, my point stands perfectly in context. you shouldn't be so snappy with your assumptions.
I got to say, I'm with waster on this. To sell your cards when they're banned only to buy them back when they get unbanned seems pretty inefficient. Especially since everyone will be doing roughly the same. If you got the time to play the markets like this, you may as well just trade for profit and buy whatever you want. Buy cards low, sell them high. Set a bit aside after each trade and get a copy of the cards you want to use to keep rather than handing kate some cash everytime you sell and rebuy back the card.
It takes a lot less time to play the market than it does to save the money needed to buy new cards without selling.
If you don't have the time to invest in the game proper to keep up with the elo changes, the /only/ way to keep up is to sell something you own to get the clintz needed to buy the cards you need.
There are many ways to balance the fact that you'll lose a few hundred clintz here and there by doing this. One example would be selling a few high cost cards as soon as a new set of cards are released, buying a new card unleveled, and levelling it to sell for a few k of profit. Takes no time at all in comparison to other market tactics, too.
It's easy, works every time if you get to the market early enough after release, and the few k you earn easily balances any losses you made over the last two weeks trading cards.
Of /course/ it would be better to never sell and just keep buying, but not everyone has the time needed to invest to earn enough clintz to do this. There are other ways, if you know how.
PS - please don't reply to this telling me it's inefficient or not valid, I use the tactic (amongst a few others) very often and my clintz levels are always on the increase.
Sorry the entire UR world knows the specific situation regarding buying when cards are popular or useful and selling when cards are less popular and banned is not efficient. the market statistics will tell you this. the market trends will tell you this. the past 2 years of me buying and selling shows this. the fundamentals of economics tell everyone this
now you may have made some small profit from the market overall, but you no one is making clintz off that tactic of selling when its low and buying when its high! yes people can grab a quick bargain here and luckily sell one for higher --- but you can do that EVERY SINGLE day.
so shadow what you are saying is buy when its high demand and sell when it is low demand as a sound investment advice is simply ridiculous.
I'm not saying it's sound investment advice...
I'm saying that, if you cannot afford to keep up with the elo changes via earning money playing the game, then, as the /only/ way to keep up would be to sell a card you're not using to afford a card you want to use, there are ways to ensure you don't lose money by doing this.
As usual, you don't fully read my posts and pepper your own replies with assumptions. Way to go, dude!
Waster, I'm glad you agree with my assertion that buying/selling to keep up with changes is by and large a losing proposition. Even if prices were fixed you'd be losing a decent chunk on the 5% commission of UR.
Your point about buying solid ELO cards that are unlikely to be banned isn't valid though, based on the new rash of bannings. I fully agree that buying high risk cards like Caelus, Ghumbo, Oshitsune, etc is avoidable... but what about cards like Wanda, Noodile, or Yayoi? I've NEVER seen these kind of cards banned before. So there's no way to predict who will/wont be banned any given week.
The only real way to deal with these bannings is to have an extremely robust collection, which I do not. I have spent money on credits so I can have a respectable collection, but the first wave of banning killed about 25% of it. Now I can't sell those cards without taking a major loss, so I have to sell and buy more frequently than normal to re-work my decks to keep up with the election bans which are more prolific as well.
If UR's suggestion to me is "spend more money on credits so you can have a big collection and deal with the bans, or just don't play (with cards you already spent money on)" then I'm EXTREMELY unimpressed.
Oh, and I don't want to play other modes. I've tried them and they don't compare to ELO, or at least what it used to be. So don't try to sell me that line either.