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frychikn - Thursday 14/05/2009, 22:30
Guru

Okay its cool that you think smokey is better than gil, i do not simply because he is 1 more star, basic same ability and 1 more dmg. THATS IT. you can find playable 3 stars all day, finding really good 2 stars is a different story. smokey is far from best 3 star card in the game.

however do you think he is BAN worthy? i honestly dont see whats so overpowered about him, he is an above average card, that is all.

having smokey unbanned is alot better for the environment than having lehane + hawk unbanned...

i honestly dont even think im gonna play anymore this week. i've only played like 15 games this week so far, but its just not worth playing against the same cards over and over simply because you'd be crazy not to.

if cards like smokey are too much for most players then this game is gonna go into a boring state very soon, soon all abilities will only be like +8 attack,SOA,SOB, and whatever other boring stuff you come up with, abilities like smokey is what keeps the game from getting really stale IMO.

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BesucherXia - Friday 15/05/2009, 11:27
Titan

You are ignoring others argument while insisting Smokey is no better than Gil, frychikn. Somkeys SOB makes his ability far more difficult to block than Gils. Also Gil must be played in first 2 rounds while Smokey is playable until 3rd, this adds another reason why most people will feel pain in facing Somkey not Gil.

I admit the unpredictable cards like Smokey will add the fun, but we are discussing ELO here, and you can still find those fun in DT. I personally will not see the fun when you are over 1300 and your opponents with 1200 are drawing you back only using fully unpredictable cards to gain a 50-50 chance. I believe thats a cheap way to eliminate the players difference like experience. And if those play style is ruling, why shall we compare cards and try different decks since the luck is now above all?

Lehane-Hawk is another story, yet its quite rare to see them both alive in the voting history. I hate them too.

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Lexos02 - Friday 15/05/2009, 11:48
Titan - Harbingers of Ares

Hey frychikn if you cant find anything good to say then dont say anything

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frychikn - Friday 15/05/2009, 15:05
Guru

Pl paeng, where are you coming from?

its called a debate/argument/disagreement. i myself enjoy talking to other players about cards. there is no flaming going on, just a conversation.

im not insisting gil is straight up better, really, im stating how 2 star cards being alot harder to come by and gil being really good, and basically what smokey is.. except on a TWO STAR, that you might as well ban gil as well for her ability/power to star ratio.

also besucherxia, heres another question since you dont like abilities like sylth/smokey it would seem...

so you would be happy with UR if they never released innovative ideas for abilities again? if all abilities were the same thing over and over, you'd be fine with it?

i've only played pirannahs once which was a few weeks ago, i got 1300s easy, BUT i dont even play them exclusively and i dont find smokey to be that unfair. he is unpredictable, ill agree, but there are alot of unpredictable situations in this game . and unless u over pill against him letting him win isnt gonna lose you the match.

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BesucherXia - Friday 15/05/2009, 19:18
Titan

I believe some "innovative" cards will greatly hamper other ones. Thus must be sacrificed to keep the whole game in good shape.

Accept it, we are seeing more decks just becuase we have banned some good ones. Thats encouraging people to find more innovative ideas, not the opposition.

Smokey could be quite fair, like Kolos, but their unpredictable style are also ruining many peoples fun becasue nothing can be done to make you a better player if nothing but pure luck remains. Thus its quite reasonable to see them banned.
Say why are so many gamblers enjoying Hold'em instead of a simply coin-flip?

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frychikn - Friday 15/05/2009, 20:13
Guru

I completely agree that both kolos and smokey are unpredictable, i completely agree that kolos should be banned, as he actually wins the game when he wins the fight.

smokey on the other hand... doesnt win you the game when he wins UNLESS your opponent overpills and still loses.

with the current ban list, im really not seeing too many innovative ideas......

im seeing roots,all star,and sentinels over and over.

also are you really not seeing the staleness of having the rest of the cards that come out in UR have the same abilities? sooner or later it would turn out to be you just play a mono clan deck and pick the 1 with the bonus you like or whatever :/

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Bilbo1_OC - Saturday 16/05/2009, 00:29
Guru

Im sitting back here trying to figure out for the life of me what the discussion is about?

You both keep saying their unpredictable - welcome to UR where people (who can be unpredicatable) play. That is the nature of a strategy game against other humans and not AI.

If your issue is with the fact that if these cards win (or lose - depending upon how the opponent pills) the round then you win the entire battle - I would argue that quite often that is the case no matter what deck you are using:
Round 1: player1 plays Chiro (I love Junta) - 6 pills - 56 att
player 2 goes hmmm I wonder how many pills to play: plays Scubb with 8 pills!!! = 54att
That leaves player 1 with an extra 2 pills and 6/8 life in front!

HOWEVER if Chiro is played with 5 pills Scubb wins and both have roughly equal pills but player 1 has 5 less life.

ALSO If Chiro is a bluff - then player 1 has an extra 5 pills but 5 less life - still fairly even game.

So basically what I am saying is in this game you choose how to respond to your opponents hand - and IF Kolos appears you have to deal with that. If not you lose and learn and your ranking slides accordingly.

Otherwise we should just ban all cards worth over 5k and play with pathetic decks.

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CC_KB24 - Saturday 16/05/2009, 02:34
Master

I think they should create rooms for like Seniors,Novice,Guru,Legends etc.

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Lexos02 - Saturday 16/05/2009, 02:56
Titan - Harbingers of Ares

Oh ok
i understand where your coming from frychikn. i was just really pissed off that day at somenoe else
Iinadvertedly let it out on you
so my humblest apologies

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wasteroftime - Saturday 16/05/2009, 03:15
Titan - Open Casket

Letting smokey through when he doesnt pill or pillz less than 4 = u are now at a disadvantage. but risking a pill fight is dangerous.... smokey can reduce things to a guessing game. hence it becomes understandable why people will vote to ban him. the evidence is the simple fact that people are posting stating why he is a dangerous card.