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AiR-GeaR-Ikki Imperator E X C A L I B U R Saturday 16/05/2009, 06:42

Smokey is worthy of banning simply due to the facts I said on the last page, 7/3 +3 pillz and SOB is really high for a 3 star. Especially when opp has smokey, dhalia and scubb in the same hand. they can reduce pillz first, overpill and regain pillz 2nd and finish 3rd or gain pillz 3rd finish 4th. Then when you consider roots and gheist cant stop their abilities, and most other cards will have to face smokey pill - pill, it's no surprise he is banned.

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Dregn Colossus URBAN MADNESS Saturday 16/05/2009, 09:30

Smokey can win on the spot - like Kolos. It just isn´t that obvious to noobs. But Smokey has only 3 stars and Kolos 5 - this is the reason why Smokey is more frightening. Every time you see a Smokey there is just panic.

A big problem is that Smokey´s ability can´t be stopped because of Piranas SoB. Therefore you have never a chance to stop this card entirely, you can only delay him. With Smokey it is a pure guessing game and there is always the risk of losing immediately.

Examples:
a) pill fight: Smokey is played by 7 pillz, other card by 6. This is a common scenario in which Smokey decides the game. Being 2 pillz and 3 damage down is a sure loss. You can resign or play on a lost game. This makes no fun at all and is very frustrating. I had it many times.

b) You let Smokey through. Very well if Smokey is played with many pillz. But then the game is not decided because the Smokey player gets so many pillz back. You have an advantage but normally it is not the end of the game.

c) You let Smokey through but Smokey was a bluff. You play a card with 0 pillz, Smokey is played with 1 pillz. Then the Smokey player has 14 pillz and you have 12 and already have 3 damage. The problem is that the next pillz reducer is played - Hawkins or something else. And the nightmare goes on... 99 % loss.

Better players know Smokey´s potential, noobs only see his 3 damage and do not fear him. But he can win games right away like Kolos, not with damage but with pillz.

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frychikn Imperator   Saturday 16/05/2009, 11:01

Smokey can MAYBE win the game (never 1st fight) if you and your opponent pill exactly the way you want. but its three damage.

for instance in my current elo deck, i have 2 SOA abilities,1 SOB, 5 cards that have 5 or more damage. now chances are if you do win with smokey (which i will usually let them, if i dont have a SOA, best case scenerio is you pill 1 more than me and deal 3 to me and up 2 pills, once against BEST CASE, but thats usually not the case since when youre staring down my deck you might see multiple SOA or cards where u know u dont want to NOT pill against because of their damage.

now unless you are winning a CR every week, im pretty sure we are in the same "skill" bracket, but i myself never am frustrated by smokey. so i guess not all "better" players think the same.

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ReadTheRules Titan Maracanaso Saturday 16/05/2009, 16:32

A -2 opp damage min 1 makes smokey look pretty bad (like trey, haha) trey can win you back some pillz but 1 damage? ok
smokey is a good card but there are a lot of soa abilities and a few double stops so i don't consider him a problem

the lehane/hawk combo bothers me though
you almost always have to use at least 2 extra pillz against lehane to win (if you can guess how many pillz she has)
i usually just play my weakest card agaist her and hope they use up some pillz or just add 2 to a card that can beat her
for hawk i scream uncontrollablely then assume defeat (haha, not really but i usually lose if hawk is in their hand)
if i don't have any 8 power cards or damage reducers (that aren't stopped) i waste too many pillz beating hawk (if i even can)

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ibtd Imperator Die Frettchen Saturday 16/05/2009, 18:03

Everyone knows that lehane is overpowered... and we all know as well that hawk is very close to being broken as well... nothing new... both those cards shouldve never been printed, but eh... they are here, we gotta deal with em somehow, and if perma-vote-banning them is the way, then thats how it should be

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JonelethStar Imperator UpperClass Saturday 16/05/2009, 18:44

Lehane should be perma-banned by the staff, it would solve the entire Lehane/Hawk issue. Let them try and run an Copper + Hawk deck if they have to replace lehane by aurelia. But then people would start complaining how Sentinels got nerfed, because the only deck they have (their sentinel deck that relies on lehane) is not ELO valid anymore. The perma-vote banning of hawk an lehane is the main reason people are crying about being able to ban cards week after week after week. My advice to those people, buy a new deck that doesnt rely on 2 cards...

oh and those are the same people that will be sad when sentinel gets crappy cards this friday...

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ibtd Imperator Die Frettchen Saturday 16/05/2009, 19:28

Haha, that made my day

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Dregn Colossus URBAN MADNESS Saturday 16/05/2009, 19:56

Of course Lehane is a true beast. Maybe she is overpowered. On the other side she has only 2 damage and isn´t that frightening, you can let her through (not like Smokey who gets + 10 pillz). Lea annoys me as much as Lehane: Rescue bonus + SoB is crazy! Same story with Kerry. Lea with 0 pillz means that she has 18 attack and your card has no bonus. Lehane with 0 pillz has only 16 attack. I am surprised that nobody wants to ban Lea as well.

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rhyno3 Imperator   Saturday 16/05/2009, 20:30

The reason no one wants to ban lea is she is still only 6 power, big difference between 8 and 6. And you say you can just let Lehane pass, but we all know that isn't the strategy used by lehane, she is a defender not an attacker. Anyone using a sentinel deck uses her to stop just about any card from getting through.

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frychikn Imperator   Saturday 16/05/2009, 22:06

Because you can pill .

lea with no pills is 18 attack,with 1 is 24, with 2 is 30.

lehane is 16 attack, 24 with 1, 32 with 2.

as you can see as long as u pill ONCE lehane is better. and definetly better if your opponent has SOB ability.